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Author: Burt
Date: 2002-08-13 21:24
Does anybody know where I can get an arrangement of the Artie Shaw concerto for clarinet and any wind ensemble (band, jazz band, ...)?
(I have the arrangement for clarinet and piano.)
Thanks.
Burt
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Author: William
Date: 2002-08-13 22:01
As far as I know, there is no commercial published or "for rent" arrangement of this work for wind or jazz ensemble. The currently still viable Artie Shaw Orchestra has the original arrangement that Artie did, but I do not believe that they are liberal in who they lend it out to. The University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee has an arrangement for wind band that they comissioned, but they also are reluctant to lend it out. I played the Concerto with our municipal band a few years ago, and what I did was rent the orchestral arrangement from G. Shirmer (spl??) and re-arrange it for concert band. Their phone number was (in 1996) 1-914-469-2271 and the rental cost "for one performance" with six weeks of rehearsal time, was about $180.00. If you go this route, you will have to do your own revisions as I will not lend mine out. They are actually quite obvious and simple, and the resulting "work" is quite effective. BTW, the orchestral arrangement includes parts for keyboard, guitar and percussion, making life as an arranger a bit easier.
FYI--the Concerto for Clarinet was conceived for the movie, "Second Chorus" starring Burgiss Meridieth and Fred Astair, in which Artie and his band appeared. The Concerto clarinet, in the movie orchestration, part was simply a lead sheet from which Artie improvised the entire work--including three cadenzas, the last of which glisses up to double high C. Good luck--playing this Concerto is a lot of fun for both the performer and the listening audience.
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Author: ken
Date: 2002-08-14 00:57
I too have my own transcription I penned myself in 1989, a direct lift from the movie score, including all string parts (violin, viola and cello). There are a few unpublished band arrangements floating around most by "military bands" and the odd college. I like William will NOT lend mine out either...connections, connections. v/r KEN
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-14 01:24
Hmmm, sorry to sound like rude - BUT
I hate it when people admit to "making their own arrangements" (whatver) of music STILL in COPYRIGHT.
Please don't DO IT - you are stealling someone's livelyhood and, apart from anything else - it is illegal - end of story.
diz
(clarinetist, violist, composer, arranger)
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-14 01:25
footnote to my above reply: UNLESS you get WRITTEN permission from the composer/arranger/publisher (whomever).
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Author: ken
Date: 2002-08-14 02:19
Precisely the reason well-meaning working musicians safeguard their material from the liberal stool-pigeons and do-gooders.
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Author: Jean
Date: 2002-08-14 02:36
Actually yes I do....www.festmusik.com It may look like an odd place to find the arrangement as they deal in German music and other such things. The fellow who owns the company is very cordial and will send you tapes so you can get an idea of what the accompaniment sounds like. It is not the exact arrangement that Shaw used in Second Chorus...I searched for many weeks to come up with an arrangement and this was the only one I could find. Let me know how this turns out for you.
Question for you...Can you play the high, high C at the end like our man Artie?
Jean
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-14 02:46
ken wrote:
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> Precisely the reason well-meaning working musicians
> safeguard their material from the liberal stool-pigeons and
> do-gooders.
Or conservative ones - you know, the ones who think that there's a reason to have a business and make money. I know, everyone does it. Just like I tend to go over the posted speed limit, but I don't advocate that anyone else does. And when I get a ticket - I pay it.
Making an arrangement is against the law in the US, plain enough, and if you wish to break the law and take what doesn't belong to you - that's fine. I'm not going to prosecute. But I <b>do</b> wish you wouldn't broadcast your illegal activities here.
If you really believe that it's a morally upright thing to do, then you should be public, advertising and giving away your arrangements of pieces under copyright. A modern day "copyright Gandhi".
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Author: ken
Date: 2002-08-14 03:42
Mark, if you insist on reprimanding ME publicly on your BB for admitting to plagiarizing recorded music than be consistent and site the previous poster (and anyone else) who's admitted to the same offense and please don't single me out. As far as I'm concerned it's all window dressing and butt covering. You, and everyone else know darn well we all "copy" music in one capacity or another for personal use and NOT for profit...it may be illegal "by the book" but it does happen everyday. Even the copyright laws authorize ONE personal copy of printed music for personal use. Don't tell me over the years you haven't made at least one vinyl, cassette or CD copy for your own personal use or copied recorded music in one capacity or another...liar, liar pants on fire if you deny it. As a matter of record concerning the Shaw Concerto I transcribed; I've performed it only TWICE in the past 12 years with local bands and BOTH were concerts FREE to the public. I've NEVER loaned it out even to my closest colleagues and haven't made a single DIME off it and never would. I'm not a crook or an opportunist, and I'd suggest to everyone look at yourself in the mirror before you cast stones at others.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-14 03:52
Ken, I can't prove to your staisfaction that I have not, I'm sure, but since I became aware of copyeright laws some years back I have not.
Personal copies are fine, as you noted, including analog copies of digital material.
I go out of my way to find my music in all sorts of place, thrift shops, et al. I have no Xeroxed music in my sheet music library. However, I have made good use of the detroit Public Library and <b>borrowed</b> music for my provate enjoyment - something covered by the laws.
Yes, there's more than one person who's admitted to copying, and I don't like it one bit. If you've followed this BBoard for any time, you'll know that I'm adamant about following the copyright laws. Whether I agree with the terms of the copyright law is a different matter. I'm well aware of Eldred vs. Ashcroft and am using some of my own money to help support Eric - you probably don't know anything about the fight. At least I put my <b>money</b> where my mouth is - I'm no hypocrite.
Whether you like it or not, you broke a law and deprived someone of income. Youi can sleep with that knowledge.
I can't.
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Author: ken
Date: 2002-08-14 04:39
OK Mark, we agree to disagree. I won't waste your server's hard drive on a 3,000-word essay supporting my position, but be assured, and from the "everday" industry side of the house, you're naive and ill-informed. Sleep well as will I. v/r KEN
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-14 04:57
ken wrote:
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> OK Mark, we agree to disagree. I won't waste your
> server's hard drive on a 3,000-word essay supporting my
> position, but be assured, and from the "everday" industry side
> of the house, you're naive and ill-informed. Sleep well as will
> I. v/r KEN
I am neither naive nor ill-informed. I know what people do, and I know the law pretty well. Just because "everyone" breaks the law does not make it right.
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Author: David Dow
Date: 2002-08-14 13:16
I think one can check with the Copright office to fine whether or not the copyright on this work is good.DD
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-08-14 14:09
Just one participant's opinion. We all do things we aren't supposed to..do. Telling friends about it face to face is one thing,telling the world is another. Publishing it on somebody else's bb ,some might say, indicates a lack of savoir faire.
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Author: pete
Date: 2002-08-14 14:50
The Royal Marines have an arrangment of the said piece at Dartmouth libary UK
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Author: BeckyC
Date: 2002-08-14 16:38
"Author: ken (---.hr.hr.cox.net)
Date: 08-13-02 23:42
...liar, liar pants on fire if you deny it. "
I just have to say I loved that part!!! It got a giggle. lol
Becky
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Author: Jim S.
Date: 2002-08-15 16:13
I assume The Royal Marines are a part of the U.K. government. Do you suppose they got permission from the copyright holder? Did they come on bended knee to that irascible old ft.? Or is the British government too breaking (international?) copyright laws? Slippery slope, to hell in a handbasket, God Save the Queen!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-15 20:15
Jim S. wrote:
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> I assume The Royal Marines are a part of the U.K.
> government. Do you suppose they got permission from the
> copyright holder?
Probably so ...
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Author: Gerry
Date: 2002-08-15 23:08
Many years ago Henry Cuesta performed the Artie Shaw Concerto once with the Robert Farnon Orchestra at a special concert featuring Vera Lynn in Toronto in the late 1960's. He also performed this Concerto which was broadcasted in August 1975 from the Canadian National Exhibition in Toronto. The featured orchestra was Paul Grosny, who is a Toronto studio musician of some note. They used an arrangement virtually identical to the Artie Shaw recording of 1940 except that they omitted the boogie keyboard/rhythm part at the beginning and the solos at the end of the first part. The rest was identical. Henry Cuesta did a magnificent job of this. I did record this off the air together with the balance of the program. I still enjoy it today. I would imagine that the Toronto Musicians Union would know the source of the arrangement. I am not sure how the copywrite laws work but I know there are a lot of stock arrangements for big bands out there.
Hope this helps.
Gerry.
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Author: Burt
Date: 2002-08-15 23:32
Jean, Pete, and Gerry,
Thanks for the leads. I found the listing on the website Jean supplied. And yes, I can play the high C; I use a 1 and 1 fingering plus the left index finger Ab and the right pinky Ab. Under duress (and in private) I'll play the high D, but the only time I've needed it is in reading a flute piece. If I ever performed that, I would lower certain sections by an octave.
The comments on copyright raised new questions, but I'll address them in a different posting.
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Author: ken
Date: 2002-08-16 16:45
Mark, message received; copyright infringment in any capacity is unlawful. It is not to be condoned anywhere in the music industry and has no place on the Woodwind.org website.
I feel better about myself already...(moral of the story: "don't knock any team you're on". <:-D
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