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Author: Misha
Date: 2002-08-12 04:02
Gotta find this music so i have a question!
Should i first go directly to the store and buy it, or it would be a smart idea to first try to find it for free online? (which i did, unsuccessfully).....i know i sound a little cheap, but i'm a poor and starving musician. Gotta audition for Juilliard for Master's Degree, is it a good work to play to begin with??? - i like it myself, but i need a professional advice!!!
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Author: susannah
Date: 2002-08-12 08:01
firstly, if you're thinking about auditioning for the Julliard, you NEED A TEACHER. If you have one already, trust their advice, if not get one!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-12 11:32
Going to Juilliard for a Masters and asking a question about whether the Messager is acceptable? You just shot your chances of being accepted ....
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2002-08-12 15:56
I played it once in high school. Seems too simplistic for a Juilliard grad program.
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Author: Misha
Date: 2002-08-12 18:25
Peeps!!! I played that in high school too, and played it pretty well, it's just the cadenza that challenged me and parts of the ending, besides there's no perfection! So i thought maybe to recapitulate it and make it perfect(er)!:)
Would Poulenc's Sonata be more appropriate? The thing is I want the piece to be French 20's Century and relatively short. Any other ideas?
Do I need a teacher? Really?:):):) Do I need some money to afford one too???
That's why i came to this discussion board to maybe get an advise from professionals. Am I in the right place?
Peace
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2002-08-12 18:52
Audition requirements, taken from Juilliard's Web site. Though you've probably already looked.
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Woodwinds
Flute, Oboe, Clarinet, Bassoon.
Undergraduate:
1.Major and minor scales.
2.Two etudes showing the applicant’s level of technical and musical ability.
3.At least one major solo of the applicant’s choice.
4.A representative number of standard orchestral excerpts.
Graduate:
1.Applicants for graduate programs must also perform a concerto from standard repertoire.
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Go here for a lengthy listing of what makes up "standard repertoire." The Messager is on the list; however, I just can't imagine it being the most appropriate piece for that type of audition.
http://www.unl.edu/clarinet/syllabus.htm
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Author: Rob Bell
Date: 2002-08-12 20:24
How about playing a brahms sonata, they really show your musicianship.
Rob
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-08-12 20:27
Misha said: "...That's why i came to this discussion board to maybe get an advise from professionals. Am I in the right place?..."
Yes - You are in the right place - and my professional advice is:
Get a teacher, and if you cannot afford one at this time (or even, as you said, the money for the music) - get a job...GBK
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-12 20:57
Misha wrote:
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> Do I need a teacher? Really?:):):) Do I need some money to
> afford one too???
Misha! You're going to audition for grad school? Your question shows a lack of knowledge for someone auditioning for graduate level work (anywhere, not just Juilliard), so I assume that you're just pulling our leg anyway.
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Author: Misha
Date: 2002-08-13 02:00
To GBK: Got a job, pays chickensh*t, that's why need to get master's
to improve my chances to get a job:)
To Rob Bell: Played Brahms' First Sonata, was succesful at it, and still considering it for the major concerto requirement (it has a concerto format, 4 movements), it's too long to be a major solo. I agree they show musicianship. Hmmm, but it's kinda not too challenging virtuoso-wise. (don't get me wrong, i like it still) Also - Romantic music....ehhh, tend to get tired of that, whereas 20 century stuff really develops my technique AND thinking
To Ralph G: Thinking of Poulenc!
To my best friend Mark Charette: I HATE HATE HATE comments that lack serious, thoughtful and useful advices!!!
To everyone who replied so far (and especially to my best friend Mark Charette): Thank you very much anyway! And sorry....i never had to audition for grad school, thus never had anyone to help me with an advice (will find that person, i'm sure) and therefore I "...lack knowledge for someone auditioning for graduate level work...", as my best friend Mark Charette put it:) I'm getting there though!
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-08-13 02:23
Misha said: "...that's why need to get master's
to improve my chances to get a job:) ..."
A <b>BIG</b> fallacy. Not <I>always</I> the case...GBK
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-08-13 03:04
Lots of students in lots of fields have to take a job in something other than their major until they graduate to have money to pay the bills.
When I was in college, I was majoring in engineering. My summer jobs included waitress, lab assistant at the college, and gofer/housekeeper for a semi-invalid lady. Notice that only ONE of these was technical.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-13 03:39
Misha wrote:
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> To my best friend Mark Charette: I HATE HATE HATE comments that
> lack serious, thoughtful and useful advices!!!
I guess my advice was too obtuse for you. To put it very directly:
You ain't ready to go for a masters in clarinet performance at any school, let alone Juilliard. Perhaps a bachelors program in performance.
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Author: Misha
Date: 2002-08-13 04:22
To lady Dee: I was a music performance major in college (graduated with Magna cum laude, Departmental distinction and tons of other stuff), while doing this i had to fund-raise for college and work in the library. Then i had to dishwash, work as a sales-clerk at a big music store, and then a store supervisor at another store. Now i have a part-time job teaching music theory and beginning piano at a music studio (ironically, they don't need clarinet teachers, they don't have any students interested in clarinet, that is)...well, do whatever i can do.... But your point is appreciated, baby.
To my best friend Mark Charette: The fact I was thinking of playing Messager's Solo de Concours, and my other questions doesn't mean that i actually 100% was going to play it at the audition. I WAS going to ask for an advise in the future from knowledgeable people, i just thought i would mention it by the way at the posting. Yes, like to a private note to Ms. Dee, i dare inform you too that i have a Bachelors in music, before that I studied 3 years at a conservatory back home in Russia, and even before that i went to a specialized Music High School, and before that i went to a music school for children. My credits include: Spohr's 2nd concerto, Weber's 2nd concerto and grand duo concertant, Copland's concerto, Brahms' 1 sonata, Messiaens' quartet for the end of time, our favorite Messager (that's at the HS), Glinka's Trio Pathetique (part of the program for which i got a Laureate of the National Competition back at home), wooofff, what else....whole bunch of 20 century pieces by former USSR composers you've never even heard of, these were the first things that sprang to my mind, sorry can't remember everything, honey.
Goodness gracious! Why do i even have to justify myself in front of people online, who've never even heard me play and who jump into conclusions like monkeys onto banana trees :(
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-13 04:25
The level of question was not one expected of someone seriously expecting to study at the Masters level at a place such as Juilliard.
That's all.
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Author: Nick
Date: 2002-08-13 13:26
Misha- Since you've performed all of those pieces, why not stick with them? For the audition I'd recommend playing:
Rose etudes
Messiaen Abime des Oiseaux (or Brahms sonata)
Weber concerto (or the Copland, or the MOZART, optimally)
Excerpts (Always including Beethoven 6 and Mendelssohn Midsummer Night's Dream scherzo)
This rep's on track for most US conservatory auditions (and even directly spelled out in NEC's audition info). The Messiaen is also a relatively short French 20th century piece (although a whole lot more in depth musically and technically than the Messager, in my opinion.) Good luck. -Nick
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Author: ken
Date: 2002-08-13 16:44
A bit cheeky aren't we with some pretty heavy players/educators and charitable souls on this BBoard?
Misha said: Gotta audition for Juilliard for Master's Degree, is it a good work to play to begin with???
--With your self-professed laundry list of performing achievements, an earned BM degree with honors and teaching background how could you NOT be familiar with the Messager and know if it is or isn't suitable for an audition at Julliard? Any serious classical student/performer with an academic background anywhere "close to yours" and who's studied at any reputable music institution in Europe, U.S. or Far East has heard of the 1899 "Solo for Contest". They have performed it, own a copy, had access to the music and/or at least noodled or thumbed through the piece.
--Me thinks thou protests too much.
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Author: Rob Bell
Date: 2002-08-13 16:56
The messager should really be in your repertoire if you are auditioning for Juilliard, the rest of the people are right and so is Ken "Me thinks thou protests too much".
Rob
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-14 01:18
Hey - have any of you heard this guy play the clarinet? He might very well be the next "super-star".
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-08-14 18:35
diz wrote:
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> Hey - have any of you heard this guy play the clarinet?
> He might very well be the next "super-star".
Very well could be. Education and perforance don't necessarily go hand-in-hand.
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