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Author: Nicki
Date: 2002-08-04 16:56
But I dont know where to search. I have some panio and flute music peices that I would like to have transposed into clarinet music. I know I could do it myself, but it would be much easier to find a pc softwear that doesnt cost me trillion of dollars to do it for me.
Thanks for any help
Nicki
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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2002-08-04 17:22
Nicki--
Yes, it probably would be easier for you to have the music transposed for you.
But...as much of a hassle as it might seem, the best thing to do in the long run is to transpose it yourself...take the flute notes up a whole step and you've got it! It helps greatly to learn all your scales, major and minor if you haven't already. It's not easy at first, but if you're going to continue playing clarinet professionally or even seriously as am an amateur, this is a skill you'll need to master.
Brian Peterson
"transcriptionally challenged clarinetist"
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Author: Nicki
Date: 2002-08-04 17:48
I have been playing the clarinet for 10 years now. I do know how to transpose the music, I just dont want to *pout*. I just recently started playing my clarinet in a church and the only parts available are Flute and paino. It would take me FOREVER to transpose a hymal.
Thanks for your advice though. I would have also recommended someone learning all the scales in major and minor. It helps greatly with technique.
Nicki
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Author: Sarah
Date: 2002-08-04 18:04
Well, there is Finale, but you would still have to enter in all of the music by hand and then transpose it. I believe that there are other programs that allow you to scan in sheet music and from there you could transpose it. I don't know which one does this (Sibelius maybe?) but I have heard that it is not the most accurate. Why don't you just transpose as you play the pieces? That way you don't have to spend any money (and time) on software and you gain some transposition skills.
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Author: Mike Hancock
Date: 2002-08-04 20:14
Nicki......
Let me offer you some sympathy.....I have been coping with exactly the same problem for more than a year. I use Noteworthy Composer to enter the notes from the Flute music (concert key) manually ... it takes some time to learn the software, but after learning, it takes me maybe twenty minutes to enter the notes for a typical hymn. Noteworthy Composer has a transpose tool which allows you to raise all of the notes you entered by two half steps (one whole step) to get your music into the correct key for Bb Clarinet. You can play back the music you have entered to make sure it sounds right .... avoiding key entry errors. And you can print a copy of the music to use. I have, as a result, accumulated a library of "frequently used hymns" that I can select from at any time. All of this, of course, assumes that you know, in advance, what hymns will be used for a particular service so that you have time to prepare.
Our church just recently purchased a set of new hymnals. One factor in selecting the new hymnals was the availability of auxiliary books for Guitar (with appropriate chords), C Instrument books (with melody, harmony and descants), Bb Instrument books (also with melody, harmony and descants), and choir books with SATB arrangements. You might want to have your music director look into the availability of these resources for the hymnals used in your church.
Good luck, and please e-mail is you have further questions.....
Mike Hancock
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2002-08-04 21:33
?got a decent scanner - Music Publisher (Noteworthy's successor)from Braeburn in Scotland has a scanning and recognising programme which I use a lot.
So you can scan a page of music (if it's good quality), recognise it, file it, check it against the original (and correct if necessary.), transpose it with note stem correction, file transposition, then print it. Bingo !
Watch that it'll be for your own use - see music under copyright etc.
email me for contact, if interested.
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Author: nahya^^
Date: 2002-08-05 01:55
oh i thought this post was something about some underwear...lol
no, jk. i knew it was about software
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-05 02:10
nahya - do we laugh now?
Learning to transpose up one tone by sight (i.e. for the clarinet in b flat) is easy to master, once you get familiar with it. It just takes patience and slow practice. Just do it - any organist has to be able to transpose music up or down at sight based on the ability of his/her church choir - and often it's not simply up a tone it might very well be a minor third.
Any opera orchestra clarinetist who doesn't own a c clarinet must be able to transpose at sight as a lot of the romantic opera repertoire is written for c clarinets.
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Author: Nicki
Date: 2002-08-05 03:28
For the time being, could I play my soprano clarinet and use the flute part? Are they in the same key?
nicki
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2002-08-05 04:45
Only a C clarinet is in the same key as a flute.
The suggestions to transpose as you play will in the end save the most time and make you a better musician in the process. Most hymns are played somewhat slowly and usually have no more than 4 notes per measure (ie, most of the notes are quarter notes) and the melody follows fairly simple intervals within a single octave to make them easier to sing. (If you have the ability to "play by ear" simply find your new starting note and key, and then do so.) Just watch out for any hymns that are in more complex keys (lots of sharps and flats.)
If your church has a recent electronic organ, there may well be a transposing function that would allow the organ to match your pitch eventhough you both are playing the same music as written. The downside is that if choir or congregation are singing as well, this will put them down one step causing potential pitch problems and possibly putting some folks out of their range.
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Author: Katfish
Date: 2002-08-05 13:05
Nicki: As Diz and Jim have pointed out, this transposition is not that hard to learn. Just think up one step, add 2# or subtract 2bs from the key signature and go slow at first. In no time it becomes second nature. With practice it's easy, really.
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Author: Lisa
Date: 2002-08-05 13:17
I just recently purchased some software from <www.musitek.com> called SmartScore. The software scans the music, recognizes it, and then you can transpose to any key.
I purchased one of the $99 versions which works pretty well.
Good luck.
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Author: Mark S.
Date: 2002-08-05 13:51
If you don't want to transpose on the fly, another option you might consider is a program that can take MIDI files and convert them to scores (Steinberg Cubase VST/Score, for instance). You can play the flute part on a MIDI keyboard (or even a MIDI wind instrument like the Yamaha WX if you have access to one), and then manipulate and transpose it as you see fit in the software and output sheet music.
Honestly, though, sit down and do a couple pages by hand. Once your brain starts to think regularly up two semitones, it becomes second nature. Then grab your clarinet and try to do the same thing. It is completely worth the frustration if you are so inclined.
Have fun.
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Author: Eileen
Date: 2002-08-05 18:13
Another trick I've learned is that if you're playing with another melody player, try transposing the C part one step (or scale tone) down instead of one step up. Then you'll be doing the harmony! Try it sometime. I do it when playing simple melodies with a violin player and it sounds tons better than the two of us playing in unison.
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-06 23:45
Yep - trust us - it's hard at first and then it's a piece of cake.
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Author: spf
Date: 2002-08-08 01:43
Nicki,
Before you go and spend $100 for a $50 problem, I recommend you do two things. ESPECIALLY if you are primarily interested in straight up out-of-the-book hymns.
--Go to www.cyberhymnal.org and take a look at their site. If you are pleased with their contents,then...
--Download the trial version of noteworthy composer and try before you buy. The full version also converts MIDI to .nwc format. Very good.
spf
(Disclaimer: I am a satisfied customer only, and am in no way affiliated with either site)
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-08-08 04:25
David P - did an "e" fall off of your thread (above)?
:-)
ironic, really
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