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Author: troo
Date: 2002-07-24 04:32
What do you think is a better model Eb clarinet....the R13 Eb or RC Eb? or is there not much difference and up to the individual instrument?
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Author: MIngzhe Wang
Date: 2002-07-24 05:43
For what I know, the R13 is an american version of RC, which is very popular in europe. and I think there are some pitch differences. R13 is pitched for 440, and RC might be higher, if you are playing in the States, you might want to get a R13. To get a good clarinet, the most important thing is to try as many horn as possible, like you said, it's up to the individuals. those are my little knowledge, see what others have to say about it.
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Author: susannah
Date: 2002-07-24 08:54
i had to make the same choice a few months ago and ended up getting a beautiful R13 which i am very happy with. I tried some of both and although each instrument was very different, I didn't find a noticable difference between the models. My advice would be to try as many as possible and not worry about the model.
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Author: nzdonald
Date: 2002-07-24 10:45
the best eefer i've ever played in my life was an RC that my friend Brad Behn had (i think he's sold it since...????). i've never played an R13 that i've liked half as much, although i've also never actually compared them "next to each other", if you see what i mean.
as i understand it, the RC has better intonation than the R13 but the tone is not quite as good (huge generalisation, and of course everybody has a different preference for tone anyway....). I'd actually consider/try an Opus E flat if i had the money, i've heard very good things about them (though i've never played one)
donald
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Author: Larry Liberson
Date: 2002-07-24 12:54
R-13 and RC are two completely different animals: different bore, different intonation, different sound.
Frankly, your ability to discern the differences may boil down to how well acquainted you are with Eb playing. If your control over the instrument is somewhat lacking...well, how else will you be able to assess the various models?
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Author: jez
Date: 2002-07-24 16:27
They're not the only ones on the market. Don't ignore the excellent instruments by Leblanc, Selmer and Yamaha.
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Author: HAT
Date: 2002-07-24 19:45
I have owned and played both models in orchestras and chamber music extensively. I had a very good R13 which was stolen and I replaced it with an RC, which I still play.
I just did some recording with my clarinet quartet on the RC (look for a release from northbranch next calendar year) and I have to say that I am very pleased with the instrument. I have played it over 2 years without yet overhauling it (had some notes tuned by Guy Chadash) and using one of the two stock barrels with which it came.
The works I recorded had a lot of awkward tuning intervals (throat f# to long b back and forth, sometimes a tuning nightmare on the instrument. . .and so forth) and I was able to get it very, very close without retakes.
The main thing is to practice whatever clarinet you buy with your ears ON, and not to try to play loudly all the time. Playing the eflat clarinet at ear-splitting levels is, in my opinion, one reason so many people find the upper register so impossible to control and tune. The sound of the instrument, its brilliance, will give you the projection you desire without you needing to force.
David Hattner, NYC
www.northbranchrecords.com
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Author: catina
Date: 2002-07-25 00:14
I bought my RC about 6 years ago now and I still love it.
I agree with everybody's advice about trying as many instruments and models (not just Buffet) as possible.
Use your tuner; play them for your teacher, other clarinetists, and other musicians, and try them all in an ensemble setting if possible. I used four different clarinets on Copland's El Salon Mexico in rehearsal while I was in college and asked the conductor (in addition to my teacher and colleagues) which one he liked the best.
Take your time finding the best horn for you.
Catina
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Author: Larry Liberson
Date: 2002-07-25 02:06
Catina said "I used four different clarinets on Copland's El Salon Mexico in rehearsal while I was in college and asked the conductor (in addition to my teacher and colleagues) which one he liked the best."
Hmmm...and what happens when there's a different conductor?
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Author: nzdonald
Date: 2002-07-25 12:16
good point Mr Liberson, but y'know sometimes we just gotta trust SOMEONE
dnld
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Author: HAT
Date: 2002-07-25 14:40
LL is right, once you start asking conductors about that kind of stuff (or ANY kind of stuff), they might not stop butting in. NOT the position you want to tolerate from 99% of conductors (and I say that AS a conductor).
It is also my observation that most conductors these days have less good sense of pitch and rhythm that most full time orchestral musicians. Take that for what it is worth.
David Hattner, NYC
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Author: catina
Date: 2002-07-25 16:31
I should have made my comment a little more clear.
I was in college then and we rehearsed three times a week for nearly two months before our concert. I cleared it with the conductor before I played, and then asked for his input. I did this all in the first two weeks of rehearsal. I took his advice, in addition to others, before I picked the instrument that I liked the best.
I would NEVER do it in a professional, non-educational setting.
Sorry about any confusion.
C.
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Author: David Dow
Date: 2002-07-26 13:26
As a pro clarinet player you might be surprised but there are conductors out there who are definitely sensitive to whether or not you sound best or worse on a give interval or pitch. In a practical sense there are moments in a long or slow solo where the conductor is of great benefit in order to create or help create the mood of the music you are doing. If one just simply goes off on their own tangent, we are forgetting that making music is something we do together even in a solo setting. Some codeuctors can make the worst players sound better than they ever have before, and a conductor is essential to balanacing. However, on the devil advocate side I had worked with alot of idiots and S>O>B>s who shouldn't even work as shoes salesman. By the way a RC can be lowered with an appropiate barrel if you find it too high...also you can have the mouthieces be an aspect of tuning depending on the design of facing.
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Author: David Dow
Date: 2002-07-26 13:31
Another note, some of the pro conductors I have worked with have a far better sense of pitch and rythmn than most orchestral players are--Christoph von Dohanyi, Eugen Jochum and Pierre Boulez. In fact at a concert of Stravinsky's Symphonies for Wind Instruments, most of the pro players I worked with under Boulez were so amazed at his innate sense of the rightness of his perceptions about tuning and rythmn ---that we were floored!!! When this happens it really changes one's perception of what a conductor can truly do to make great music.
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