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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-06-24 21:29
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=886274567&indexURL=1&photoDisplayType=2
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2002-06-24 21:50
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Sight unseen, faded (and thus, obviously, well used), and not tested.
NUTS.
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Author: tim k
Date: 2002-06-25 01:19
Granted the price was obscene. But the condition was vouched for by Theo Wanne (Mouthpiece Heaven) , who is considered a mouthpiece genius by sax players, and who has a sterling reputation. If a buyer is going to pay way too much, at least he will get a good piece. Collectors often make choices that don't seem rational to the rest of us.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2002-06-25 12:39
It is still just a piece of rubber with a hole down the middle.
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Author: tim k
Date: 2002-06-25 14:31
It's interesting. To a large portion of saxophone players, old is better. Good (and some not so good) vintage saxes and mouthpieces command a premium, on the belief that "they just don't make them like they used to" and mouthpiece rubber compounds and saxophone brass composition have changed, or age changes the material for the better, or pride of workmanship has been lost.
Clarinetists seem to feel that each new generation of instruments advances the art, and that age erodes the quality of clarinets.
Gues it boils down to whatever feels and sounds right to the player. And I'm sure preconceived notions affect that perception.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-06-25 16:02
Synonymous Botch wrote:
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> It is still just a piece of rubber with a hole down the
> middle.
And a Van Gogh is just some paint on a cloth. And Strad is just some wood, varnish, and strings.
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Author: Kristen D.
Date: 2002-06-25 17:55
Tim K,
Old saxes ARE better than the new ones. It has to do with the type of metal
alloy that was used. They actually melted down bullet casings from the war
to make saxes back in the day. There's something about the resonance of
that metal alloy that cannot be matched today. (told to me by a sax player)
Remember, saxes are made from metal and clarinets from wood. A lot of the
treasured sax mouthpieces are also metal. How may items made of wood are
better if made 100 years ago? I'm just "begging the question."
Kristen D.
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2002-06-25 18:30
Kristen,
<b>Melted down bullet casing????</b> I would like present that to Ralph Morgan and see what he says. BTW a very good article by Ralph in the latest Techni-Com, which is the periodical distributed to NAPBIRT members. He writes about the bell brass of the Selmer saxes being a different alloy than the rest of the instrument and other quite technical and interesting details, but sorry Kirsten D, I really can't swallow the <i>"bullet casing"</i> story.
jbutler
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Author: tim k
Date: 2002-06-25 18:55
Yeah, I've heard that shell casing theory, with SML saxes. Don't know if it's true, but there must have been a lot of them rattling around in post-war France.
But most vintage saxes are American--Conn, Buescher, Martin. I seriously doubt they used recycled shell casings. Different brass alloys? Probably. Different bores and tapers? Certainly.
I have a 1936 Conn 10M "Naked Lady" tenor and a new Yani T901. Both have their strengths, with the Conn giving the more robust sound. But if I had to keep only one, it would be the Yani. It is a sweet, easy playing sax, with wonderful keywork. On the other hand, my Malerne Professional clarinet must be 40 years old, give or take. It's not a top pro horn. But I've yet to find a clarinet that suits me more for tone or feel.
Ya pays your money, ya takes your choice.
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2002-06-25 19:23
"Ya pays your money, ya takes your choice."
That means the highest bidder for this mouthpeice was:
1. A gambler
2. Very rich
3. Highly confident
4. Very gullible
Or all of the above...
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Author: tim k
Date: 2002-06-25 23:08
And here's the other side of the coin. In this series of auctions I picked up two clarinet mouthpieces from Theo--a vintage Selmer 3 and a VD B40 at a total price of $29 for the two. I'm grateful for the person who bought the Ched for $920 because he's subsidizing my cheap purchases. Now I can experiment with different facing lengths.
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