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Author: Mel
Date: 2002-06-22 00:58
Hi, i'm currently looking at two clarinets to get. The first one is a Buffet E45 clarinet. The other is a Buffet Evette Master Model. Both I can get for about $450 and i was wondering what's the difference between the two? I believe the E45 is from 1991 and the Master Model is from the 1960's. I'm currently a high school Wind Ensemble player looking for a wooden clarinet. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Author: Mel
Date: 2002-06-22 01:00
Oh yeah, one more thing, the Master Model, the owner says is made in Paris. Where is the E45 made?
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Author: Jacy
Date: 2002-06-22 01:16
Mel,
The clarinets you're looking at have had 3 different model names-Evette Master Model, E45, and E12--but are the same clarinet in terms of technical specifications. The Evette from the time period that yours is from would have been made in France, while the E45 was made in Germany. I've heard a few on the board say that the intermediate Buffets out of France are somewhat better in craftsmanship than the German ones, so that may be a factor in which one you're choosing. The only other difference is age, so (of course) go with the one that has the most intact keywork and that plays the best for you.
P.S. I'm in high school too and I play an E&S Master Model (a step above the clarinets you're looking at) from the late 60's, and I wouldn't trade it for the world.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-06-22 02:03
Master Model = R13 with little cosmetic flaws. IMHO.....V
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Author: Jacy
Date: 2002-06-22 02:10
Vytas, the Master Model Mel was referring to (Evette, not Evette & Schaeffer) isn't a slightly flawed R13...the Master Model with the closest relation to the R13 is the E&S Master. Take a look at the archives.
Right?
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2002-06-22 02:43
Most of the older Master Models did not have undercut tone holes, later serial numbers did. I think, not for certain, that the E-45 does have undercut tone holes. Maybe someone else can clarify about the E45. However, I've overhauled several Master Model clarinets and only the higher serial numbers have the undercutting. Look at the bore and make the determination. However, undercutting (frasing) may or may not contribute to the instruments overall quality and playability (many a great older Selmer out there without undercutting). Which one plays best for you? Since price is not the issue why not just choose the one that gives you the best response.
jbutler
jbutler
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Author: madvax
Date: 2002-06-22 03:47
Both are good horns and you really can't make a bad choice (assuming they are in similar condition). I agree with jbutler. Do a side-by-side comparison and go with the one "you" like the best. Don't forget to bring along a chromatic tuner to test the intonation.
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Author: Wes
Date: 2002-06-22 06:11
Yes, I had an older Master model which I undercut most of the toneholes which made a very big improvement. I wouldn't recommend one of those as the low register tended to be flat and unfocussed in my instrument before it was worked on. The condition of the clarinets you mentioned may be important to you. If they are not in good condition, I think the $450 may be a little high. How about an E11 Buffet? Good luck!
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-06-22 15:37
Jacy,
...Right?
"Master Model = R13 with little cosmetic flaws". Rumor or a fact? I want to believe that Mr. Kloc is right. ...Right?
Topic: RE: Please help a clarinet "greenhorn"!
Name: Mark Charette ()
Date: 12-23-99 10:32
From Francois:
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Dear Mark,
The master model was made by the same persons who made the R13 and yes they are R13 with little cosmetic flaws but nothing is wrong acoustically. Musically Yours. Merry Christmas. Francois Kloc Manager of Woodwinds North America Boosey & Hawkes Musical Instruments Inc.
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Author: Mel
Date: 2002-06-22 19:27
Just for reference, the serial number for the Evette is D24983
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-06-22 20:49
The manufacturing year is 1972
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Author: Mel
Date: 2002-06-23 21:33
There's another Evette i found that seems to be in better condition than the original 1972 one i was looking at. Serial number is: L24272
Any idea what year this is? Thanks.
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Author: Marcel Benoit
Date: 2002-06-24 04:53
Ah yes another Buffet problem....try Buffet in Paris as to the origin. My grandfather worked with Buffet from 22 until WW11.... sometimes Buffet I also heard made mistakes with marking instruments, so make sure your serial numbers coincide with the date the company gives,,,many of these instruments are poop copies of something less than an r13 and some are fine and others terrible. The older Evettes seemed to be small bore with alot of tuning irregularities.... models from the early 70s especially.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2002-06-24 05:11
Looking may be easy. Finding may be something else. AFAIK, "L" was never a series prefix to any of the Evette (or, for that matter, Evette & Schaeffer) models and the serial number does not show up on the Boosey list. The reason I know is that this instrument is for sale on eBay and I checked it out a couple of days ago.
Even if I were looking for a clarinet, I wouldn't bid on this because I think the price (opening bid $199, "buy it now" $249) is too high considering the apparent condition and the uncertainty surrounding this instrument. While the instrument looks like an Evette in profile (largely because of the barrel), the serial number isn't right and the (old) case doesn't look like any Buffet case that I have ever seen. An Evette Master Model just sold on eBay for around $177 and it appeared to be in at least as good condition as this one (though drawing such a conclusion from the pictures is quite risky). In any case, the seller of this instrument claims that it is in excellent condition but closeup of a pad suggest that it needs some work.
Even if you are willing to pay the seller's price, before you bid on this, you should contact the seller and request confirmation of the serial number and verification that it is the same on both joints. Also request a detailed description of the label on all sections. I've seen sellers on eBay identify an instrument as a Selmer or Buffet based solely on the label on the mouthpiece or the barrel. I would not bid if there is no Evette logo on the upper joint (there may not be one on the lower joint -- Buffet didn't always put one on its Evettes) or the serial numbers do not appear on both joints or don't match with a "D" rather than "L" prefix.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-06-24 13:10
Good advice,Jack. Some ebay sells also give the clarinet the name that's on the case!! When this is an honest mistake by someone not familiar with clarinets the purchaser can be pleasantly surprised...as I was recently.
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Author: Mel
Date: 2002-06-24 14:26
Thanks for the advice. You're definately right about the serial number thing and condition, so I'm going to stay away from that clarinet. At the moment on Ebay, i'm looking at an E&S Master Model clarinet; serial number according to the person is 5599, but I thought E&S master models had letters preceding them. THe seller might have missed the letter. The serial numbers match on every joint and the label is on every joint as well, so this looks like an okay clarinet to look into. The seller says it could use some repair, but if the price is cheap enough, it seems worth it. This may be a dumb question (well not dumb for me because i don't know the answer), but what are seals? Thanks again.
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-06-24 16:38
I would suggest looking for an overhauled clarinet from a repair technician or at least from clarinet player. Why do you even want to go through all this process? It's huge gamble when you buy clarinet from the person that never played one. This time of the year you can get professionally overhauled wooden Evette or E & S for about $250. I would help you if you're interested. Just ask....V
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Author: Mel
Date: 2002-06-24 17:14
Vytas, i'm definitely interested in one of these overhauled E&S clarinets. just send an email to me with details. Thanks a lot.
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Author: Carol
Date: 2002-06-24 17:51
Vytas wrote:
> you can get professionally overhauled wooden Evette or
> E & S for about $250
I would also like to know where you can get a prefessionally overhauled wooden Evette's for $250.00. Sounds like a great deal. Can you post the details?
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2002-06-24 19:56
Carol....,
No, I can't. I'm personally involved in this deal. Contact me off line if you're interested.....V
OlympusUS1@netscape.net
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