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Author: C@p
Date: 2002-06-10 01:03
I am not sure if I posted this before, but I cannot find any responses, including my original post on the subject, if indeed, I did post it. Anyway . . . .
I have been playing the Fibracell reed for about six weeks with very good results and the reed does not seem to be finished yet. My colleagues were asking about them and the only place I know of in the Chicago downtown area to get them is in the lower level of the DePaul University music center at Jackson and State Streets.
My questions:
Can the Fibracell reed be setrilized in hydrogen peroxide and used immediately if others would want to try out my reed? If so, would it be dipped in pure hydrogen peroxided or a diluted mixture, etc., etc.?
Would anyone know where else in the Chicagoland area western suburbs or north west suburbs where it can be found in stock? I don't think IMS had them when I was there a few weeks ago.
Thanks
C@p
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2002-06-10 02:30
1. I have sterilized a tenor-Sax reed (i used it on my Bass clarinet with good results)in a dilute hydrogen-peroxide for a young student to use in his Jazz competition. He didn't develop lock-jaw or anything else so I guess it worked and he played for months on it.(He did well in the competition also).
2. You can order them from "Discount Reeds" thru the mail and they are Sneezy sponsors.
Try it, you'll like it.
Bob A
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Author: C@p
Date: 2002-06-10 04:05
Bob A
Thanks for the response.
Can you tell me the percentages for the water and the hydrogen peroxide you referred to?
C@p
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Author: clarinetqween
Date: 2002-06-10 05:06
You could also buy them through woodwind and brasswind. they carry those synthetic reeds plus other brands as well.
Happy hunting-
Clarinetqween
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2002-06-10 13:22
Dear Folks - remember what we are talking about - sanitization is the physical removal of bacteria, mold, and viruses and potential killing of some significant portion of same, disinfection is the killing (perhaps not all but primarily the harmful guys) and sterilization is the complete killing of bacteria, mold and viruses. For most applications we are only able to achieve the first two without harming the item itself with the treatment. Several commercial preparations - e.g. the product Stericide (sp), pharmacy hydrogen peroxide (3%), other molecular oxygen generating products, etc., will accomplish sanitization and some degree of disinfection depending on the length of exposure. Viruses are not killed by any except by exposure to molecular oxygen for at least 15 minutes. Stericide uses quaternary ammonium compounds as the disinfection agent and it is the least effective at killing bacteria, mold and viruses.
I have not tried any on Fibercell reeds but have done some experiments on Legere reeds and the molecular oxygen products will kill harmful bacteria and viruses after prolonged exposure. (Note - all disinfection and sterilization products must be listed with the Environmental Protection Agency through a lengthy process much a kin to the FDA drug approval process - so many products do not make specific sanitation and disinfection claims) or they hedge in their language. Certified disinfection products and sterilants have EPA registration numbers and expiration dates stamped on the product.
My experiments indicate - both physical, chemical, and playability tests - that natural cane reeds treated several times in straight pharmacy grade hydrogen peroxide "dry out" and the playability decreases. The products which contain hydrogen peroxide and other ingredients are better and accomplish the same disinfection characteristics. A 15 minute soak in hydrogen peroxide with kill 99% + of the potentially harmful (standard pathogenic bacteriological culture test) bacteria. Quaternary ammonium products will kill 70-85% (by residual bacterial colony count). As has been pointed out in earlier posts, many bacteria are not necessarily harmful and our world is filled with these "normal" bacteria which are not the pathogenic strains. Our host defenses also protect most of us from even many of the pathogenic species.
The Doctor
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2002-06-10 22:05
Ummm, the only way you can BUY hydrogen peroxide is under extreme dilution. It comes in 3 to 5 %, doesn't it? Diluted to about 2% works really well for me.
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2002-06-11 02:40
In the U.S., the standard drug store hydrogen peroxide is 3% USP by law, which is fine straight to treat reeds if you are so inclined. Concentrations above 3% require a perscription except for the teeth whitening gels and gum gingivitis treatments which are benzoyl peroxide at a stronger concentration but the molecular oxygen is released more slowly which lessens the effective concentration. The best (which I sell) peroxide formulation that I know of contains other ingredients which do not dry out the reed and do not remove the natural oils and waxes of the cane.
The Doctor
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Author: Mark M
Date: 2002-06-11 04:42
I use these reeds frequently. I go to the LMS and try them out to see which ones play. That way, I get my moneys worth. The LMS then "sterilizes" the ones I don't want with the same stuff that they use for mouthpieces. These reeds are nonporous so the solution should not affect the playability. See what the LMS uses for mouthpieces.
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Author: C@p
Date: 2002-06-12 21:19
Mark
You wrote:
"I go to the LMS and try them out to see which ones play."
Does LMS refer to a specif music store or the generic "Local Music Store?"
C@p
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Author: Mark M
Date: 2002-06-14 20:05
local music store. You probably have to make the salesman understand the concept of composite type reeds vs a porous cane reed.
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