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 Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Mandy 
Date:   2002-05-15 11:05

I am looking at purchasing a B flat clarinet .I was looking at a new E13 as I have owned one before and liked it but a shop near me has a Buffet which I am told is serial number D401. I haven't seen or played it yet but am told it is in nice condition and plays well.Any opinion would be valuable although of course I will be trying all instruments before I buy,I am just not very knowledgable about older instruments.

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: GBK 
Date:   2002-05-15 12:52

The Buffet serial number D401 would indicate that the instrument was made in 1889...GBK

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Jack Kissinger 
Date:   2002-05-15 14:09

Another possibility is that the instrument is a Buffet Evette model manufactured in 1964. This would be roughly the equivalent of an E11.

Best regards,
jnk

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: jez 
Date:   2002-05-15 14:19

GBK,
If it was manufactured in 1889, then that was the year they did particularly well in the Universal Exhibition in Paris. Should be a good buy!
jez

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Mandy 
Date:   2002-05-15 15:12

The retailer said it was 1929 by his lists,all the lists I checked also say 1889,he also has an old french Selmer that he says is 1920's at about the same price.I've never purchased from him before.If I go with the new clarinet I will be buying it from a shop I have dealt with a lot in the past.

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Dee 
Date:   2002-05-15 16:05

If it is 1889, it may not even be built to today's pitch standard. Even as late as the 1920s, there was more than one pitch standard so you need to make sure that it is in tune with today's instruments.

Be sure to check that it is reasonable in tune at A=440 (US standard) or A=442 (European standard). You should do this check in a romm of about 72°F temperature. Hotter or colder will throw off your results.

If it is not, then you won't be able to get it in tune by pulling the joints as it will throw off the relationships between notes.

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Ken Shaw 
Date:   2002-05-15 16:55

Mandy -

A Buffet from 1889 would have a key guide for the two upper trill keys that has a triangular shape and is made of flat sheet metal. It would also have a thumb rest with screws above and below. There are a number of other differences in key design -- see my postings at http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=11130&t=11130 and http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=41228&t=41179.

Instruments that old often have had the bore altered. You absolutely must play it and have a for-any-reason-or-no-reason return option. In particular, check the intonation against an electronic tuner on every note.

Best regards.

Ken Shaw

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Wes 
Date:   2002-05-15 18:11

My 1889 simple system Buffet clarinet is tuned to high pitch but has a wonderful sound. The E11 is a good choice and will be easier to sell later on as it is a known item. Good luck.

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Mandy 
Date:   2002-05-15 19:27

I'm really thinking that I'll go with the E-13,stick with what I know,and the warranty makes me feel a little better.I haven't touched a clarinet in six months so.....

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Stéphane 
Date:   2002-05-15 19:30

Mandy,

Just out of curiosity, how much do they sell the old Buffet for?
And good luck with the E-13. Even after 6 months, this is like bicycle, you never really forget!

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Mandy 
Date:   2002-05-15 21:40

£650 maybe a little less- Mandy

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Joe O'Kelly 
Date:   2002-05-15 22:14

I certainly would not purchase an instrument that old for that high of a price. You might be able to find a decent r-13 for that price.

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 RE: Old Buffet Buy or No?
Author: Jim 
Date:   2002-05-16 00:35

Take a look at this on ebay:

(cut & paste in your browser)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=868510563&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1021599573&indexURL=0&rd=1

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