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Author: ~ jerry
Date: 2002-04-24 23:16
I forgot to mention it in the previous post but, unlike the DWS, before the concert a clarinetist of the Army band stood in front of the band as everyone tuned up. He played a note and the rest of the band seemed to tune to this note.
What note would you think this would be (an A, perhaps)? My ear isn't that well tuned. Just curious.
~ jerry
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Author: Joe O'Kelly
Date: 2002-04-24 23:26
Probably Bb concert.
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2002-04-25 01:06
Our band tunes to "F".....works well except for Eb instruments.
jbutler
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2002-04-25 03:43
Orchestras usually tune to A concert, but at least around here, most bands seem to tune to B flat concert. That puts us and the trumpets on C of course. I think they do that to make it easier for the trumpets, (surely clarinetists don't need any help!) (Just kidding, hold your posts!) Seriously though, It does put many of the band's players on the easy to remember C (all clarinets, trumpets and tenor sax) and the C instruments play the named note (the B flat) (flutes, oboes, mallets and keyboard etc.) This seems to simplify the tuning unless you play an F or E flat instrument.
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Author: William Hughes
Date: 2002-04-25 05:15
...which leaves the Eb clarinets (soprano, alto and contra alto) tuning to open G, not the most stable of notes. I know, I know, nobody much cares if we're in tune, but still...
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-04-25 23:35
CLarinets in Orchestras generally tune to Concert A (A=440), while in Bands they generally tune to Concert Bb (Bb=466.2).
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Author: nzdonald
Date: 2002-04-26 06:16
when i first came to the US in 1994 i had never heard of anyone tuning to concert B flat, i had always tuned to concert A (sometimes to Concert F with a piano, tuning the throat G and the one above)...... anyways....
.... i was asked to play in a wind quintet with some undergrads who had mainly "band experience".... i had in fact spent a year playing in a proffessional symphony at this stage, and found the concert B flat tuning thing to be a bit odd, but could adapt. What threw me was when, at our first performance, we tuned backstage, then about 5 minutes later went on stage to play. Of course, i was expecting to "re-tune" on stage..... but the others, instead of tuning, started to immediately perform the music- i missed about 2 bars of music because i wasn't expecting them to start! They were used to tuning well beforehand with the marching band, but not tuning immediately before playing. No one thought it was funny at the time, but it makes me smile to think of it now!
nzdonald
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Author: RogerM
Date: 2002-04-26 12:02
I participated in a church music clinic conducted by Camp Kirkland (noted for producing church instrumental music) over in Panama City FL back in 1993 or so. He tuned the band to concert F. I think that this was because the he wanted the clarinet open G in tune. I had tuned to concert Bd and as luck would have it, my concert F was perfectly in tune & they tuned the entire group to me. (Of course have playing the tuning note for 5 minutes or so, my intonatin changed and I had to retune.)
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Author: CP
Date: 2002-04-26 15:57
To change the subject just a little.........
I play in a "semi-casual" Church Orchestra. ( So they are NOT so worried about being in TUNE ) But here lately I get goose bumps (in a bad way) when we play. There is one sax player, and two clarinets in this orchestra........The sax and the other clarinet are way off usually. I ask to TUNE us all........and they are still off. You can SEE it my face when we hit those "Awful" notes..... in what for everybody else, including the choir is a beautiful peice. But for me it is just about ruined, when I know the two clarinets just don't meet. Some times I just quit playing to save others from the pain. (But they don't notice it as much as I do I guess.) It is frustrating to ME. I WANT to play, but I don't want to offend the other player by telling her it sounds awful. What do I do?????
HELP
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Author: Bob Arney
Date: 2002-04-27 03:37
Sorry CP, the Psalmist says--"Make a joyful noise before the Lord". Just forgive and forget--God will still smile.
Bob A
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Author: RogerM
Date: 2002-04-27 11:52
CP
I would not hesitate to tell the other players in a nice way that their innotation is off. Bring in a tuner. Anyone who is playing in a church should have a committment to bringing quality to the service (i.e., they are not just playing because they like to play---they want to contribute to the service.) Told nicely (and privately) the players will accept your criticism and try to improve themselve---especially if you give them tip on being in tune.
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Author: CP
Date: 2002-04-27 15:44
I know that I sound bad about complaining. I used to not feel this way, but over time, and practice........ After all we are in a Church Orchestra, no one is forced to play. You'd just figure that those who volunteer to play would try their best to have a good tone, and be in tune........and by all means practice.
The only thing is, I was told by the orchestra leader that he was thankful that "She" was coming at all. That the Orchestra was something to get "her" to come to church at all. It gets her involved. But how do I tell her to commit to doing better the longer that she is there. She is older than I am, and as I have heard, she was quite a GREAT player in "her time". But now....???
Oh.....and the Sax player is a Great player, and loves to improvise........which she is good at. But for a orchestra, with written peices to play, it doesn't always work out. Oh, and the SAX is not always in tune. She has more of the Jazz'y way of playing.
Combine the two clarinets (who are never in tune) to this sax.
OUCH!! Maybe its just something I am going through, but It is hard for me to take anymore.
I was even looking into finding a more structured Orchestra around town that I could maybe play with. (I'll stay with my Church Orchestra of course) But then........I probably will become the "lady" who doesn't play well on someone elses post. haha 
Thank you for letting me vent.
It helps. Now......I'll go practice.
CP
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Author: forest@woodwind.org
Date: 2002-04-28 04:40
Jerry,
The DWS uses the A....440. I don't know what note the military band used that evening but I'll bet it was the A.
F. Aten
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Author: Britt
Date: 2002-05-01 02:19
They probably tuned to B-flat concert. It's the most common note for bands to tune to. That would be our C (but ya probably already knew that).
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