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Author: Samantha Mudge
Date: 2002-04-12 00:19
Hello,
My name is Samantha Mudge, and I am a Sophomore at Western Michigan University.
I have my Sophomore hearing coming up, and am required to produce a composer notes for the pieces I am performing. I am performing the II Movement of Weber's Concerto No. 1 in F minor and Tartini's Concertino (1st movement, memorized). I am unable to find ANYTHING on these two pieces, especially Tartini. If anybody knows anything that may be of help to me, PLEASE email me!!! I'm despearate. I am spending hours under search engines in attempts to find some kind of information!!
Samantha Mudge
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2002-04-12 01:25
Get thee to a library! Inter-library loan is a wonderful thing. Ask your teacher as well- s/he probably has some useful books. You might also look for books about Gordon Jacob for the Tartini (try the New Grove Dictionary, it has a weakness for obscure British composers).
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-04-12 01:42
"weakness" - LOL - yes, Groves will help you (it is British, afterall). Also, many, many CDs have excellent "program" notes - whilst I don't for one minute suggest you "steal" - paraphrasing might be helpful.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-04-12 03:07
A college sophomore using only search engines for research - how sad...GBK
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Author: susannah
Date: 2002-04-12 03:58
I think the Tartini was originally written for violin. It was arranged for clarinet by Gordon Jacob. Guiseppe Tartini lived from 1692 to 1770. It should be very easy to find information on the Weber, whole books have been written on him, and if you look in the index (whats that?) there will probably be useful references to the piece itself. Most people would not know the kind of information you are looking for off the top of their heads..if we would have to look it up, surely it would be easier for you to do that straight off. Good Luck.
P.S. I think the 'problem' is that you haven't looked hard enough
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Author: Bradley Wong
Date: 2002-04-12 15:19
Didn't your teacher suggest you spend some time on the third floor, in the library?
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-04-12 16:13
Samantha, I think you have depended on a computer entirely too much. The internet is a great resource, but it does not include all human knowledge. Looking for "hours" with search engines is a waste of time. If you can't find it in a few minutes, just assume it isn't there and look somewhere else. Try such things as libraries, even. And diz's suggestion to review some CD liner notes is a good one. There is nothing at all wrong with using these as references, when properly cited.
If Tartini never wrote a Clarinet Concertino, and I share susannah's belief that he did not, of course you will never find any reference to it. Tartini was a violinist, and almost everything he wrote wa for violin (including, as I recall, more than 100 concertos).
Good luck, Samantha, and work smarter.
Regards,
John
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-04-12 16:27
Brad...Perhaps the library at Western Michigan University should be moved to the 1st stop on the Freshman orientation tour.
By the way, I hope you are enjoying the orchestral excerpt books that I sent to you in late October, and all is fine...GBK
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-04-12 16:37
JMcAulay wrote:
rly cited.
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> If Tartini never wrote a Clarinet Concertino, and I share
> susannah's belief that he did not, of course you will never
> find any reference to it.
Of course, a few minutes here on Sneezy would show that there <b>is</b> a Tartini Concertino/ arr. Jacob ...
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Author: cj
Date: 2002-04-12 18:15
According to the notes that come with the sheet music, the Tartini is a "free arrangement" of material taken from several of Tartini's violin sonatas. I have no idea as to which pieces the material originates.
Tartini did not write a clarinet concertino, nor is the concertino simply a transcription of one of his violin pieces.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-04-12 19:31
Actually in John Lade's short essay about the Tartini Concertino (arr. Jacob), he claims that the work is based on "free versions" from two different Tartini violin sonatas. He doesn't specify which sonatas. He also notes that Jacob did two different arrangements: one for clarinet and piano, and the other for clarinet and strings...GBK
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Author: jOHN
Date: 2002-04-13 02:52
TRY http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/notes/55069.html FOR TARTINI NOTES
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-04-13 03:27
John...Although the Tartini Concertino is mentioned in one sentence (as a comparison to avoid confusion), the bulk of the aforementioned site discusses (among other works) the Gordon Jacob "Mini Concerto for Clarinet and String Orchestra".
Unfortunately, as to the lineage or the history of the work in question - not very helpful.
As John Lade (see my posting above) does not cite the specific concerti for the Gordon Jacob arrangement, it could be possible (and actually quite interesting) to isolate the thematic material of the Concertino and compare them to Tartini's violin sonatas to find the specific works that they were based upon.
The only caveat - the "free versions" used by Jacob in his arrangement.
Possible to do - yes
Probability of success - average
My advice for Samantha: pick a rainy afternoon and go to the music library and give it a try...If nothing else is accomplished, a new appreciation of Tartini's works will be realized...GBK
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Author: Micaela
Date: 2002-04-13 03:30
The notes from my Jacob CD (including the Concertino) confirms GBK's statement. I thought that research on Jacob was also appropriate because it's a "free arrangement" and Jacob's influence is present as well. Also, Jacob lived a lot more recently so there is probably more documentation- check if he wrote articles or a memoir or something.
I'm sure your college has the New Grove (my high school has it!). it's a good place to start and conatines further reading lists.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-04-13 03:58
Micaela...Yes
Research on Jacob is a fine suggestion, and there should be numerous venues to try.
This has now become an interesting thread, as techniques to solve a research problem are slowly being unveiled...GBK
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