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Author: Fred
Date: 2002-03-30 04:30
It's not an R13 with a 33XXX serial number. However, the mistake is probably unintentional (I like to give the benefit of the doubt to people.) With an opening price of $9.99, we can assume that this is not a person that deals in fine clarinets very often. The clarinet is question was indeed a professional model, and may play beautifully - it just doesn't have the design characteristics that define the R13.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-03-30 05:01
It may very well be an R13, Carl Fischer's designation. Carl Fischer was the importer of Buffets for some time and gave them Rxx desgnations. They're not the Robert Caree design before 1954-1955.
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Author: Carol
Date: 2002-03-30 06:17
The eBay auction also states that this clarinet has a "poly-cylindrical" bore.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-03-30 06:32
Carol wrote:
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> The eBay auction also states that this clarinet has a
> "poly-cylindrical" bore.
Not in 1947 ...
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-03-30 12:13
An interesting exchange with the seller: I told him that the particular horn couldn't be a polycylindrical R13. He told some music store told him it was and that I shouldn't bid.
With an answer like that you can take your chances.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2002-03-30 13:29
Good point about Fischer's R13 designation, Mark. It didn't come to mind for this post.
And here we have another instance about the "music store" being the authority on models and designs of clarinets made over 50 yrs ago. How wonderful it would be if an authoritative volume were published that gave a real insight into clarinet models from yesteryear. Getting information about some of these oldies today can be next to impossible. I won't hold my breath . . .
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Author: David Stringer
Date: 2002-03-30 14:32
<<<And here we have another instance about the "music store" being the authority on models and designs of clarinets made over 50 yrs ago. >>>
I asked the guy at my fruit store and he said it sounded more like a rutabaga.
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Author: Douglas
Date: 2002-03-30 14:47
Just to add a bit of information about the polycylindrical Buffet R-13: last year I bought two Buffet Bb's at auctions. One was a serial #48526 (1954) which was definitely the larger bore Buffet type previous to the the polycylindrical R-13 and a serial #48830 (1955) which was a smaller bore, polycylindrical design. Just two examples, but a bit more indication that 1955 was the year Buffet started marketing the Carree polycylindrical R-13.
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Author: kgl
Date: 2002-03-30 21:35
Another interesting exchange with the seller...I asked him if it could be purchsed on approval and returned if it did not meet expectations, and his reply is as follows:
"No I will not return for "expectations" reasons. I will return if there is
something wrong with it, and in this case, it has been checked out by a
professional and there is nothing wrong with it. Thanks."
So I echo Mark's response above.
Also check out the negative feedback in the seller's profile.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-03-30 22:15
Actually this person has a reasonably low negative feedback, and he answered each one. He's not shirking his responsibilities really, and he feels that he's representing the merchandise correctly ... except he says Carree joined Buffet in the 50s (correct I believe - possibly late 40s) and then developed the polycylindrical bore. That's all correct.
Now, tell me how he has a Carree designed polycylindrical Buffet clarinet from 1947 - pre-dating Carree's joining Buffet?
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Author: Sandra F. H.
Date: 2002-03-31 01:46
Again, be careful what people relate to you from second hand sources, i.e. the music store giving information. If someone really knowledgeable freely gave this person information it very well could have been misinterpreted or "selectively remembered".
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-04-01 01:15
I agree with Mark. The seller seems to be reasonable, he is quick to respond, and he seems unwilling to try to get anyone to buy something they may not want. So I wrote him, relating the facts -- not as if browbeating him or acting as if I might be trying to pull a fast one on him. He wrote back a sincere thank you. The eBay auction has been ended early "because of an error in the listing."
I told him it looked very clean and is probably a fine instrument, despite the lack of a polycylindrical bore. I also told him the mouthpiece is surely a Vandoren B45, and it is quite popular, as is the Bonade ligature.
To me, this guy seems honest. Same as Humphrey Bogart about "the waters" at Casablanca, he had been misinformed.
Regards,
John
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Author: bob gardner
Date: 2002-04-01 03:17
The seller ended the sale on ebay for no given reason so everyone can forget about it.
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