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Author: Jean Adler
Date: 2002-03-29 14:31
I know Goodman played a Selmer. Does anyone know what Shaw played on? I am doing work about the two of them for my master's. I can't see a logo on any of the photos.
Jean
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-03-29 15:05
If you know Goodman played a Selmer, you're at least partly right. Try a search here and you'll find that some say he didn't always play the same instrument.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-03-29 15:15
JMcAulay is correct. The archives here will give you some interesting reading on Goodman's "brief encounter" with Buffet...GBK
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Author: Todd W.
Date: 2002-03-29 20:04
I believe that at one time Artie Shaw played and endorsed (or at least endorsed) Conn instruments.
Sometimes the old ads show up on eBay.
Todd W.
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-03-29 21:12
I sure don't have a clue but back when BG started playing I'm not so sure that Buffet was as popular in this country as Selmer. I suppose his bio says something about it.
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Author: Sandra F. H.
Date: 2002-03-29 21:26
Have you contacted the International Clarinet Association (ICA)? You may find assistance there, and in their magazine archives. They do have a website.
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Author: dan powell
Date: 2002-03-29 21:41
in the 1950s shaw played a leblanc. i read that in an old down beat mag
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Author: john gibson
Date: 2002-03-29 22:05
During his pbs interview which was aired a couple weeks back as posted here....Shaw said he always played a selmer. Then switched to Buffet. That was what he said he used with the Grammercy Five.
During the interview he pointed to the Selmer he said he used to "make" Stardust. Then said he had a number of others.
While at the public library not too long ago...there was a book about Shaw and in it was an ad for CONN clarinets. "....just like Artie Shaw uses." It's not uncommon for someone of that stature to do endorsements in exchange for free instruments and $$$.
I work in radio and do endorsements all the time, but don't necessarily use the product any longer than the endorsement contracts "run".
John
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Author: Jean Adler
Date: 2002-03-29 22:08
The bio of Shaw by Vladimir Simosko showed up at my door this afternoon. I saw the Conn ad in the book. Hopefully I will get my answer. When I do I will let all of you have the definitive answer.
If Shaw played a Leblanc in the 1950's he didn't play for long did he? He stopped playing in 1954.
Thanks all.
Jean
BTW The book has a great discography. Very helpful for my master's project
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Author: willie
Date: 2002-03-30 00:56
Jean's right on the endorcment thing. There's lots of old adds out there with Souza endorcing Conn. But, if I do believe his tubas were made by J. D. Pepper along with his double bell euphoniums. I think the first "Souzaphone" was a helicon modified and offered to Souza by Pepper for trial.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-03-30 01:42
Sousa had asked James (J.W.) Pepper if he could construct a brass instrument with a bell that faced upwards, and which would also be adjustable for concert purposes. Pepper called it a "Sousaphone" in gratitude to Sousa for the initial suggestion.
The original "Sousaphone" is still in the possession of the J.W. Pepper Co.
In addition, besides its music publishing empire, Pepper helped develop the bass drum foot pedal (as found on trap sets) ...GBK
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Author: Jean Adler
Date: 2002-03-30 02:04
Speaking of endorsements, one of my favorites is of Benny hawking Smirnoff vodka. It is in his later years...
I am sure the endorsement deals are nothing compared to what star athletes make today. And weren't most of the radio broadcasts cigarette companies? Camel Caravan, Old Gold, Chesterfield.
My uncle is 76 and has written me about listening to the bands on the radio as a kid in the 30's and 40's. Obviously they made an impression on him, although he was never a smoker. So, I guess things haven't really changed all that much.
Jean
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-03-30 02:32
Let us also not forget during the war, Benny Goodman's endorsement of the Maccaferri Futurity plastic reed...GBK
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-03-30 12:40
GBK..so that's what it was! I never saw the BG ad for it though. Don't forget when Lucky Strike Greens went to war and Ivory Soap was 99 and 44/100% pure.
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Author: Don
Date: 2002-03-30 14:26
Jim Cullem, a jazz cornet player from San Antonio, tells a story. He once picked up Benny Goodman at the airport for an engagement. As they were walking, he commented on Benny's clarinet case, which was clearly marked Selmer.
"Oh I don't play Selmer," Benny reportedly said. "I play Buffet."
This incident occurred late in Benny's playing career and almost certainly his wonderful old recordings were made with BT model Selmers. But no wonder we mere mortals have trouble divining the facts!
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Author: Don
Date: 2002-03-30 14:29
Jim Cullem, a jazz cornet player from San Antonio, tells a story. He once picked up Benny Goodman at the airport for an engagement. As they were walking, he commented on Benny's clarinet case, which was clearly marked Selmer.
"Oh I don't play Selmer," Benny reportedly said. "I play Buffet."
This incident occurred late in Benny's playing career and almost certainly his wonderful old recordings were made with BT model Selmers. But no wonder we mere mortals have trouble divining the facts!
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Author: William
Date: 2002-03-30 23:47
What they played were clarinets--the music and the "sounds" were their own, not Buffet, Selmer or LeBlanc. It is interesting, from a historical vantage point, to know what specific equipement players have used, but let us not forget to credit the musicians and their artistic accomplishments. Just a thought....Good Clarineting!!!!!
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-03-31 13:18
BG was known for being a real tightwad and probably got the case second hand.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-03-31 16:29
"...BG was known for being a real tightwad..."
Of all the BG stories,(and there are so many to choose from) my favorite is the one told by Zoot Sims when he joined Goodman's band at the age of 19:
"We used to have a lunch break, and I brought this big, beautiful apple and put it on my stand. Benny had a habit of grabbing your cigarettes or anything else, and I saw him looking at that apple. I said, "Oh, oh. There goes my apple." I had a solo coming up. So Benny grabbed my apple. I stood up and took my solo, and it's the longest solo I ever had with Benny Goodman in my life. He kept signaling "one more" until he finished the whole apple. Then he said, "That's enough." ...... from "Jazz Anecdotes" (Crow) 1990 Oxford University Press ...GBK
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-03-31 22:14
Totally believable. Some said he was a pain in the xxx to work for too. Helen Ward was my fave BG bird.
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Author: Jim S.
Date: 2002-04-01 07:15
Leonard Feather's Encyclopedia of Jazz shows Benny with what looks like a 1010 with the smooth tenon bands. He probably used one, maybe only for classical stuff, at least for a while, while he studied with Kell. I can remember a Life Magazine article in the early 50's with pictures of him and Kell during a lesson.
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