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Author: Marge
Date: 2002-02-20 15:56
Does anyone know what mouthpiece would have been supplied with a Selmer 10G B-flat clarinet when it was new? I just acquired a used one (from circa 1977) that came with a new Selmer HS* mouthpiece. My guess is that a previous owner liked the original mpc so well that he/she kept it. Might it have been a Gigliotti? If so, which version (which presumably would have been considered a good match for this model clarinet)? I've gathered that the Gigliotti P is at least somewhat similar to the HS*, but wonder about the others.
I'm not fond of this HS*, at least not with this clarinet (though, somewhat surprisingly, an ancient HS* is somewhat better with it--more free-blowing). Aside from Gigliottis, what other mouthpieces might be considered a good match for the characteristics of the 10G? Of course, I also know that a mpc must also be chosen according to the preferences and characteristics of the individual player, but I'm trying to get a leg up here.
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Author: jez
Date: 2002-02-20 16:44
Makers almost always supply their own mouthpieces with new instruments, so it's unlikely that your 10G would have arrived with anything other than a Selmer m.p. Players almost always discard these straight away (or sell them to pupils) and carry on using the one they had on their previous clarinet. If you change to something different you won't be getting used to your new instrument so much as your new m.p..
If you've, unwisely, parted company with your old m.p. most standard ones should suit your Selmer. You could try the Vandoren range to establish the length & openness of the lay which you prefer and then try to get a similar one from an independent maker. They do tend to be better than the factory made models.
You'll find many references here to m.p. makers, both on the BB and in the sponsors.
The only U.S. m.p. I possess is by Genusa. It's fine but there are so many others to try you should ask around, especially people who's sound you admire.
Have fun
jez
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2002-02-20 16:51
All 10Gs originally came with Gigliotti mouthpieces, as the entire clarinet set-up was designed by A. Gigliotti. The P is pretty closed, as is the P34. I would try a 1 or 2 if I were going to purchase a Gigliotti mouthpiece. Look on woodwind and brasswind's website and read about the Gigliotti mouthpieces. They also have good prices for new ones and accept them back if you don't like them. www.wwandbw.com
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-02-20 16:54
Brenda - my brand spanking new Selmer 10G in 1993 came from the French factory with a new C85-115, not a Gigliotti.
I don't like the C85-115 at all ...
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Author: Marge
Date: 2002-02-20 17:16
Evidently, the Gigliotti mouthpieces ARE Selmer mouthpieces. According to http://www.selmer.com/selmracc/wood7.htm, with page heading "Selmer (USA) Woodwind Mouthpieces," the Gigliottis are shown as G201, with 5 options:
P - Close tip openings (personal choice of Anthony Gigliotti)
P34 - Slightly shorter facing than P
2 - Medium-close tip opening
3 - Medium tip opening
4 - Medium-open tip opening
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-02-20 17:53
Selmer (USA), not Selmer (Paris). The two companies are not the same. The 10G model is a Selmer (Paris) clarinet. Perhaps the distributor (Selmer (USA)) is putting the Gigliottis in there?
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2002-02-20 18:33
Marge got a used Gigliotti---from me. It didn't have the Gigliotti mouthpiece with it, but as she has stated, it had an HS*. It was a redone 1977 Z series. It probably had a Gigliotti mouthpiece (which are produced by Selmer) when it was new--but the person from whom I purchased it had replaced it with a new HS*.
I agree with Mark and the others about the C85 mouthpieces. Don't like them at all. But, I've had some very nice Gigliotti mouthpieces--especially the 1 and 2 models. The P and P34s are too closed for my taste. I can't get any volume from them at all.
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Author: charles
Date: 2002-02-20 18:34
I have 10G and had series 9(sold). I still have two mpcs came with two Selmers. One is Table B* and the other one is HS*(old model). I don't remember which one was for 10G. Old HS* doesn't play at all. It's worst and might need refacing if blank is good(please let me know). I had Table B* refaced by David Spiegelthal and it plays wonderfully. I remember that there was a Gigliotti ligature(I don't like) in 10G case.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2002-02-20 20:29
Yes, that's an idea. Marge, you might have Dave or one of the other Sneezy regulars reface the HS* and see if you like it better.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2002-02-20 23:35
When Henri Selmer started to sell 10Gs in Japan, I obtained one(B flat).It came with a HS mouthpiece. I tried HS,C85-115, and Vandoren 2RV(now 5RV) and felt HS and C85-115 very stuffy and was satisfied with Vandoren 2RV. Later I bought a 10SII* and I was satisfied with C85-118(not 115) attached to it. Several years ago I found this strange phenomenon may be caused by the bore difference between 10G and 10SII. The bore size of 10G is larger than that of 10SII. (The smallest bored Selmer is Recital.) 'Maybe', the bore size of HS or C85 series matches 0.56" bore clarinets.
Since Gigliotti passed away and his mouthpieces are uncertain to be sold for long, it may be a good idea to try one.
By the way, I read somewhere ex-Vienna symphony Prinz loves a 10G among Boehm system clarinets since he feels this clarinet tonality resembles that of Ottomar Hammerschmidt. The sense of tone darkness seems different in each countries.
As repeatedly discussed in this BBS, Gigliotti and Selmer made this model after his Moenig tuned Buffet, which may be the reason why its bore is Buffet's standard, 0.574". I wonder how they copied their inside bore geometry.
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Author: Marge
Date: 2002-02-21 02:04
Mark - So what kind(s) of mouthpieces work for you on the 10G, since what came with the instrument did not?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-02-21 04:26
MyHawkins sounds nice but is flat (consistently flat even when totally pushed in).
B45 works pretty well, especially with a Spriggs Floating Rail lig for some reason.
A 5RV works well, too, but I don't have one anymore.
My Pyne Polycrystal is well in tune but not as quite a nice a tone as the Hawkins. Looks neat with the Spriggs lig.
The C85 115 is in tune but sounds thin and bright.
I use V12 3 - 3 1/2s for all.
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2002-02-21 10:49
In Australia the 10G and 10S clarinets were supplied with Selmer C85120 mouhpieces and 2 barrells. They tend to play a bit flat in this climate with anything other than a Selmer mouthpiece probably owing to the humidity. HS* Mouthpieces sem to have been supplied with the Selmer Soloist. The importer here in Sydney tells me that they supply different mouthpieces with clarinets to different countries. The saxophones (soprano/alto/tenor) however are supplied standard with C* mouthpieces which are a little close for anybody serious. I have about 10 soprano/alto/tenor in my workshop all discarded at various times. Baritones seem to have been supplied with a variety from C* to E. I've got a couple of E baritones as well, dog of a mouthpiece and way to close.
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Author: kenabbott
Date: 2002-02-21 11:18
My 10G (purchased in 1976) came with the standard HS*.
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Author: Bryn Sheth
Date: 2002-03-29 13:45
Selmer 10G is always supplied with a Gigliotti mouthpiece.
The 10G model was designed by Anthony Gigliotti himself, so Selmer puts his mouthpieces in it.
As for the specific model, Gigliotti has 5 different facings:
P - close tip, long curve. It was played by Gigliotti himslef. Gives you the best tone and control, but it is the hardest to play.
P34 - close tip shorter curve
#2 - medium close
#3 - medium
#4 - open (for jazz players mostly)
Those mouthpieces are expensive ($100-130), but well worth it.
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