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Author: Steve
Date: 2002-02-11 22:39
Hello,
I am piecing together and old EVETTE & SCHAFER BUFFET MASTER MODEL K67XX
I have all the parts except for a few rusted/broken rods and a missing post. Does anybody know where I can find these parts. I have tried Ferree's but they only carry pivot screws. Can someone please point me in the right direction.
Thank You
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Author: ron b
Date: 2002-02-12 00:42
Have you tried your local repair shop(s), Steve?
Two more quick questions,
1) which post (also called 'pillar') is it and
2) is it threaded or molded into the body?
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Author: Steve
Date: 2002-02-12 00:52
Thanks for replying Ron,
It is the upper post which holds the C# Key on the upper body (the one without the spring). I also need the rod that goes along with this post and a few other rods for this particular clarinet since they were mangled by cheap screwdrivers and some corrosion problems. All the posts on this Master Model are screw in.
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Author: Joseph O'Kelly
Date: 2002-02-12 01:55
Just a word of caution. On my master Model the diameter of the rods are smaller than the modern equivelences. They do not match current production buffets but are the same diameter of the Eb clarinets in current production. Just a tip.
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Author: willie
Date: 2002-02-12 04:45
Your best bet is to go to a repair tech, preferably one thats been repairing for some time, and see if he has an old cadaver for parts.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2002-02-12 12:03
I find it uneconomic in time to hunt for a rod off an old instrument. I, and I presume, many other repairers make them from stock "drill rod". They take about 10 minutes each.
To do this means stocking a very wide range of threading equipment for different threads on different instruments. e.g I have over 20 different button dies to cover the range of threads used on only the rods of clarinets, flutes and saxes.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2002-02-12 16:49
You might try scouring eBay daily for 'parts only' clarinets, Steve. They show up, not too infrequently, and you might spot something you can use for little money. I wouldn't be too hopeful about hinge rods; as Gordon points out, they're usually munched by the time they go into the scrap box. I also prefer to make up new ones. Your local tech might have (salvaged) something you can use though. It's worth a try. Otherwise you may have to make them or ask your tech to make them for you. I think Ferree's sells individual taps and dies on order, if you know the correct size and tpi (threads per inch) to match what you need. A local machine shop, or their supplier, might also be a source. Or, if you happen to know someone who does home-hobby machining... ?
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Author: JMcAulay
Date: 2002-02-13 00:22
Personally, I would order my requirements from a competent repair facility which has all necessary resources to produce the required items. I would likely look for one well-known on both sides of the Equator. Let's see now....
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Author: Steve
Date: 2002-02-13 01:08
Well since rods are not an option to buy I will make my own. The rod is .079" diameter and the threaded section is .069" diameter so I will have to shave .010 off one end. Ferree's stocks the .079" size drill rod. Once I figure out the tread pitch using my thread gage I can buy the proper die. If I can squint enough through my magnifying glass. Thats solves that problem.
I still need a source for a post. Are posts pretty interchangeable between like brands on wooden Clarinets.. Example. Will a post from any older Buffet fit my old Master Model or does it have to be from another Master Model. I bet someone could make a fortune parting out old bits and pieces of Clarinets over the internet. Does anybody on this board have any misc. parts collecting dust? Anyway thank you for all the help guys. I view all posts on this board and dont contribute but I sure learn A LOT.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2002-02-13 01:41
You've contributed a lot right here, Steve. A 'thank you' is in order
That's how we all learn -- from one another. Some of us have dust collecting parts but often, like right now, I don't if what I have would suit your situation. Have a Bundy and an old Conn that I can cannibalize...
Come to think of it, Mark C., can you intervene with a comment here re: Miss Lonely Parts? That seemed like a great idea for an occasion just like this.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-02-13 02:07
Ron,. I just haven't had the time to do it justice. Like everything - lots of ambition, not enough time ...
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Author: ron b
Date: 2002-02-13 03:07
Mark C - thank you for your quick response
I just read Mark C Fonts below =|(wow) I understand a little better now. You have the ambition *and* stamina of six good men! Of course, we all have our limits. Please... don't short your circuits :|
It'd take a Lot of managing to keep Lonely Parts going effectively. Cataloging, referencing, matching, posting, mailing/receiving... have no idea what the demand might become. Looks like it could easily be a full time (overwhelming) operation. What with your other responsibilities, family etc. it's just not feasible here at this time.
May be better to do this the way some other item-specific posts have been handled and invite Steve (or...?ever) to make contact off-line. I'm more than happy to help someone out if/when I can, I just don't have the time or resource(s) to do so on a large scale.
So, Steve, if you'd like to contact me off the BB...
- ron b -
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2002-02-14 07:35
About the 0.69" diameter thread.
Being Buffet can I assume it is French?
And hence assume it is a metric thread.
0.69" = 1.75 mm.
That is definitely not a standard metric thread diameter.
So it would be fair to assume that it is the standard metric M1.8x 0.35 mm
If that was a tight fit and you had a button die then you could tighten the die down a bit. (My M1.7 die is also .35 mm pitch in case that is relevant)
On the other hand, if you cannot get a metric die, it helps to know that the 0.35 mm pitch matches (very closely) the 72 threads per inch American thread standard.
The die to use would be 1-72 ("NC", or National Fine).
The thread diameter of this is 1.85 mm, so you may have to tighten the die down a bit further. A couple of cuts working down the diameter would be desirable to reduce stress on the die.
Of course this all assumes that the thread is relatively standard, but manufacturers have been quite keen to use completely non-standard threads simply so you cant cut your own with standard dies.
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Author: Steve
Date: 2002-02-14 22:54
Thanks for the thread info Gordon...
After using my micrometer again to measure the diameter of the threads it turns out to be .070" - .071" dia. , so it is probally the standard metric M1.8x 0.35 mm size that you mention. It appears that this is the common thread size on all the posts/pillars of this old Buffet Master Model. I am finding that some of the hinge rod diameters are different however. The longer hinge rods are approx. .092" in diameter and the shorter hinge rods are .079". I have not yet found any sizes in between but I didn't measure each individual hinge rod yet. I just picked a random few. Thanks for the tips on fudging the sizes if I have to. I have an 18" length of drill rod so I have room for more then a few attempts and mistakes.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2002-02-15 15:44
0.079 mm = 2.0 mm, and the thread is most likely the very common M2x0.4 mm. You could possibly fudge that with a 2-64 die, squeezed down rather a lot from 2.18 mmm to 2.0 mmm in diameter.
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