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Author: Carmen izzo
Date: 2002-02-06 03:19
Hello Again Clarinetists!
As you know i am preparing for my big solo debut next month, and would like to give the best performance possible.
I would like a concensus of the ornamentation that you guys use in the Recapitulation of the first movement. I have been told and taught a few examples that are added to the recapitulation to made capture the style and add tasteful variation that a recapitulation should use to vary from the exposition. If you know what im talking about, give me your ideas!!
thanks a bundle
Carmen Izzo
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2002-02-06 04:17
This very long lecture on Mozart clarinet quintet may be informative.
http://www.amuse.vic.edu.au/VCE/solo/Mozart_lecture.pdf
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-02-06 04:33
Hello Joshi, how are you?
I tried to access this (Melburnian) website but to no avail. Maybe there's a problem with your URL?
thanks
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-02-06 04:43
OMG - sorry - my previous posting should have said
hello Hiroshi - I'm a goof, sorry
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2002-02-06 04:59
Hellow diz. I am using a Japanese version of PC, which may do a strange thing if you patch the URL to your address bar. If you directly type-in the URL, it may work. (I am not a proficient PC user. If it does not work, sorry.)
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-06 07:16
Carmen...You may be confusing the terms "ornamentation" with "improvisation" as to the Mozart Concerto. I think you may be asking for advice in "spontaneous improvisation".
"Ornamentation" deals with composer-reated decorations in the music. These would include trills, mordents, grace notes, etc... The performer is to simply interpret these symbols (placed by the composer) in a clear unambiguous manner, as to the established practices of the period.
"Improvisation", or more precisely "spontaneous improvisation" is a performer-created change to the melodic line of the music. This should be based on the style of the piece, or by certain "clues" given by the composer in the text of the music.
There are many fine recorded performances (Pay, Neidich, Lawson, Bradbury and others) who use spontaneous improvisation in their rendition of the Concerto.
Frederick Neumann's book "Ornamentation and Improvsation in Mozart" might be a worthwhile read for you.
Also, Dan Leeson has written some excellent articles on performing the Mozart Concerto, including his thoughts on improvisation.
So, as you will see, there is more to performing Mozart than the notes on the page. It involves technique, tone, emotion and history. The latter is probably the most difficult concept...GBK
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-06 07:28
second paragraph typo - should read: "composer-created"
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Author: Gregory Smith
Date: 2002-02-06 07:57
All excellent suggestions by GBK I think.
It might be added that improvisation on restated material in recapitulations of this period (and appropos to this composition in particular IMO) is most persuasively performed when keeping in mind that "less is more". Quality is paramount to quantity.
Gregory Smith
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-02-06 12:27
At one time ornamentation was not always noted by the composer. Composers expected performers to ornament (trills, mordents and so on) in accordance with the customs of their time.
Improvisation is not adding ornamental types of material but adding of phrases, cadenzas and such in a manner consistent with the thematic material of the piece.
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Author: William
Date: 2002-02-06 15:16
If you must add your own material here, try to keep it within the "spirit" of the Concerto and Mozart's style by avoiding jazz idioms, Blues, BeBop and getting wrapped up it your own technical abilities. Base your improv on themes already presented, using tasteful variations and embellishments--but remember, "Less if More" Elegance is more important than eloquence. Quality more than quantity--need we go on!!!!!! Personally, I like the first mvt without any added material, but I am definately "old school." Enjoy being creative (Mozart probably would approve) and be tasteful rather than arrogant. BTW,where are you performing and when???--maybe some of us could come and listen (for me, Chicago is just down the road a bit). In any case (or dbl case) Good Clarineting!!!!!!!!!!!!
Incidently, just a quick followup question--how do you articulate the opening measure of the Concerto? Any other opinions welcome, also.
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Author: William
Date: 2002-02-06 15:20
Please disregard the "Where and When" tune I just sang. I just read the next post and March 3d is bad timimg for me too. Best of Luck to you and truely, Good Clarineting!!!!!
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Author: Wes
Date: 2002-02-06 19:36
When I've heard recorded versions of the Mozart Clarinet Concerto with player-added changes, it jolts me. As far as I'm concerned, ornamentation and/or improvisation detract from this piece as they cannot compete with what Mozart wrote. Cadenzas can be from the performer, but I prefer them to be quite short. Good luck on your performance!!
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-06 19:51
Wes...The Mozart Concerto DOES NOT contain cadenzas of any sort - never has / never will.
The areas you are referring to are "eingang"
Correct terminology is most important...GBK
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-06 19:57
Don Quijote...NO!!!
Do a search on eingang. (either on this bulletin board, or in a music reference text)...GBK
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-02-06 20:17
GBK - maybe you might be a little more humble in your authority? Afterall, we all know you're a bottomless pit of musical knowledge!
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-02-06 20:23
diz...Sorry for the over reaction, but the use of correct notation and terminology sometimes just drives me crazy...GBK
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Author: Carmen izzo
Date: 2002-02-06 23:01
By adding ornamentation, I apologies for the mix, even though as i type its always going to be difficult to explain in text and not in speech!
By adding ornamentation, i meant not to improvise or add any extra phrases. And i am fully aware of the style of mozart, and i think that any small mordents, trills, would be done so tastefully. BUT, nobodys perfect, and i thank my awesome teachers for helping me achieve this goal. so they can probably aid me in this small quest. Thanks for the advice!!!!
Carmen Izzo
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