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Author: Peter Sabot
Date: 2002-01-31 16:02
What is the difference between B45 & B45lyre? Which one sounds better?
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Author: John Scorgie
Date: 2002-01-31 18:07
Peter --
B45 has a tip opening of ~0.047" while the B45 Lyre is ~0.050". Both would be considered "open" mpces. I believe the length of lay is the same altho the Lyre may be slightly longer. They "sound" the same; the response is slightly different. Try both and choose the one you like best. Be sure to try out mpces with several different reeds. If you try out mpces with only one reed, as so many people insist on doing, then you are merely seeing which mpce works best with that particular reed.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-01-31 18:17
These two mouthpieces should be considered "medium to medium open" not "open" as there are many mouthpieces with significantly larger tip openings.
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Author: harvey
Date: 2002-01-31 18:58
I have a B45(dot). How does this compare to the B45 and the Lyre?
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Author: harvey
Date: 2002-01-31 19:18
I checked the the VanDoren Site prior to asking the bulletin board and got the following information:
B45 Universally acclaimed, it is the most popular mouthpiece. Designed for the symphonic orchestra player.
B45 (dot) Large chambered mouthpiece produces excellent full "round" sound.
Both are listed as medium opening, long mouthpieces. This still does not tell me much. The Van Doren site was not helpful.
I am new to this site and have found a lot of helpful information.
Harvey
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-01-31 19:56
harvey...I thought that Vandoren gave a better explanation on their site, so here goes:
After the B45 was created in 1968 (by Bernard Van Doren), the B45dot and B40 were next to come - based on the similar features (tip opening and length of facing) of the B45.
Vandoren says that "the B45dot is characterized by a "trapeze" configuration - which is a widening of the passage from the bore to the chamber" (their words).
The B45Lyre is "a more open mouthpiece than the B45, and has a tip rail half way between the B45 and B40 (again, their words).
Totally confused now? Try them all with different reeds. Most importantly, try many of the same model, as with all machine made mouthpieces (as opposed to custom hand made ones) the variations in each one can be quite significant...GBK
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Author: RonD
Date: 2002-01-31 22:03
I play on a B45 lyre, it has one of the largest tip opening of any Vandoren mp and is best played with a soft reed. The only mp in the VD line with a larger opening is the 5JBL which they and others suggest for playing jazz. The B45 lyre is easy to play but hard to control. After searching hundreds of post on the sneezy BB i ran across a post by Mark Clarette, He said that he played a Pyne Polycrystal and liked it. I just purchased a Pyne polycrystal and I agree with Mark, also since I have a good idea of his precise and rational approach to any situation I figured that he knew a good thing when he found it. And he was sure right its a great mp for a very modest price.
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Author: RonD
Date: 2002-01-31 22:10
To Mark , sorry about the mispelling. To everyone, the correct reference is to Mark Charette the webmaster of this board
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-02-01 00:49
I actually use a few different mouthpieces.
None of them have me sounding like Larry Combs yet ...
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Author: David Spiegelthal
Date: 2002-02-01 13:33
Mark, why is that? Shouldn't you be sounding like Larry Combs by now?
I still can't figure out why I don't sound like Ron Reuben on bass clarinet yet......
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Author: Dee
Date: 2002-02-01 15:51
Well the Vandoren site will only give the technical specs. Only you can decide what works and sounds better for you. No two players will have the same perception of the differences in playing characteristics.
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Author: sylvain
Date: 2002-02-01 21:16
Hi all,
I've tried all these different mpc at some point or another and they all feel and sound similar. I think they have especially been designed for people liking the B45 but looking for something just a bit different. I found the B45dot to have a very rich sound and surprisingly nice throat tones. The B45 Lyre was slightly too open for my taste.
But, really all in all they are very similar mouthpieces.
As it is always said on this BB try many mpcs, check the intonation and have reeds of different strength ready as no every mpc reacts the same on a V12 3 ;->
-S
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