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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-24 17:10
hello all,
i am trying to find a good recording of the poulenc sonata. who would be a good artist's recording to pick up?
thanx....
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Author: Stephane
Date: 2002-01-24 18:00
Lisa,
I have a recording which I like very much, it is a French production edited by Harmonia Mundi (I don't know if you can get it from a dealer in the US, maybe on Amazon?). The two performers are young artists (the record is from the Nouveaux Interpretes -The New Performers- series from Harmonia Mundi): French Alexandre Tharaud -piano- and Belgian Ronald van Spaedonck -Clarinet-
The CD ref is HMN 911596 and this a compilation of French music for piano and clarinet including the Poulenc sonata.
Hope this helps.
Stephane (France)
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-01-24 18:23
Lisa L...My two favorites are:
Paul Meyer - "French Clarinet Art" (Denon # 81757 9282 2) Here he uses the 1963 (3rd edition) of the Poulenc
Ralph Manno - "French Clarinet Rhapsody" (Arte Nova 74321 30465 2) He uses the 1973 (5th edition) of the Poulenc.
Both recordings are superb...GBK
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-24 18:37
GBK: I have only looked at the 3rd edition of the Poulenc. What is/are the difference(s) between the 3rd and 5th editions?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-01-24 19:02
Lisa L... The story goes something like this:
A number of years ago, Georgina Dobree of London was researching the Poulenc and came across the various drafts that he had made for the work. Anyway, she decided that some of the notes were "wrong" and convinced Chester to reprint the work with the changes.
Chester followed through with what Georgina claimed were the final wishes in the final drafts of Poulenc. The changes are really quite minor (a few different notes in the first and third movements), but Chester probably saw an opportunity to gain a few more sales in a later (different) edition.
Whichever edition you play, it really doesn't matter. As the late Jerry Pierce once told me (in a long letter about this very subject): "it is all Poulenc - at one time or another".
Since Poulenc is not here to tell us which he would prefer, it is to the performer's discetion as to which sounds more pleasing. Both are well within the scope of the original artist.
My preference? I think whichever edition you learn first (it's only a difference of a few notes) is the one that "sticks in your ear" and the one that sounds more correct to you. Isn't it funny how the mind works?
Oh, by the way, I learned the 1963 version first...GBK
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-24 19:05
GBK: If I remember correctly, I looked at the 1963 edition a few years ago. I never knew about the story with the Poulenc sonata. Thanks for sharing! Is it the same story (or similar?) with the Poulenc duet for B flat and A clarinets?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-01-24 19:12
Lisa... Your welcome.
Sorry, I can't help with the Poulenc duet. I'm not aware if there is an "updated" version from the original published in 1919. Perhaps someone else knows...GBK
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-24 19:13
GBK: i'd also like to find a recording of that duet. i played it once (the B flat part), and it is really neat! do you know if the recordings you suggested also have the duet?
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-24 19:26
GBK: You're so helpful!! I like the Poulenc sonata. Did he write anything else for clarinet, or another sonata? I am wondering if I am missing out on anything.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-01-24 19:29
He also wrote the Sonata for Clarinet and Bassoon in 1922. (No, I don't know if there was a revised edition). It's also on the recording that I referenced above...GBK
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-24 19:38
GBK: My music history knowledge is not that great... but was Poulenc writing music for clarinet at the same time Nielsen wrote the Nielsen concerto?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-01-24 19:49
Poulenc lived from 1899-1963. The Clarinet Sonata was written in 1962.
The Nielsen Concerto was written about 1948. (I don't have the music in front of me)...GBK
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-01-24 19:59
oops...The Nielsen was written in 1928. (The 20 year mistake on my part was probably the number of years I've been working on it)...GBK
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-24 20:01
GBK: You've been working on the Nielsen concerto for 20 years? I've tried about the first 2-3 pages and couldn't get too far!! What are your tricks/suggestions for the really fast parts that are tongued at the eighth note at around 144 (metronome marking)?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2002-01-24 20:05
It certainly seems like 20 years (just kidding)...There are many articles on Sneezy on double/triple tonguing. Much has been posted here. Probably a search on Nielsen or on tonguing will bring up more than you can read...GBK
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-24 20:06
I didn't know that we (as clarinet players) can double/triple tongue things. I thought only brass players could do that. Anyway I'll take a look. Thanks again!
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2002-01-24 22:23
Another recording of the Poulenc 2-clarinet sonata worth looking for:
Elysium Recordings, GRK 718, with Stanley and Naomi Drucker
This CD also includes, among other pieces, a rare recording of the Moore Clarinet Quintet and a delightful 2 clarinet sonata by Gary Schocker.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-25 03:55
thanks jnk. do you know offhand what time period schocker wote the 2-clarinet sonata? his name is unfamiliar to me.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2002-01-25 04:03
Around 1994 or 5 I'd wager - it won the 1996 ICA Composition competition and that's only for unpublished pieces.
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Author: Massa
Date: 2002-01-25 15:01
There are series of Poulenc's chamber music released
from NAXOS label (inexpensive CDs with great performances).
"Complete Chamber Music"
Vol.2 (8.553612) includes Sonata for Bb Cl. & Pf.
Vol.3 (8.553613) includes Sonata for two Cl., Sonata for Cl. & Bsn.
Performers are Alexandre Tharaud(piano), LAurent Lefevre(bassoon),
Ronald Van Spaendonck(clarinet), and Andre Moisan(Clarinet on sonata for two Cl.)
Stephane mentioned about the combination of Van Spaendock and Tharaud
on Sonata from Harmonia Mundi label. I haven't listened to this recording, but
I enjoyed their performance on NAXOS very much.
I also like the recording by Pascal Roge (pf.) and Michel Portal (cl.)
from LONDON/DECCA label. "Poulenc Chamber Music" Very beautiful
performance with the great expressiveness.
- m
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Author: Aussie Nick
Date: 2002-01-26 07:19
My recording of the Poulenc Sonata is by Gervase De Peyer. It has a sticker on it saying "Penguin Guide Rosette Winner" but my personal opinion is that it is a quite vulgar recording. I've been trying to sell it or get it off my hands for years.
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Author: Jamie Talbot
Date: 2002-01-27 19:18
Michael Collins has made a recording of the Poulenc sonata on a CD called
Virtuosi.
It,s on the EMI Classics label and also includes the Schumann Fantasiestucke and
Debussys' Premiere Rhapsodie amongst others.Kathtyn Stott is on piano and the
catologue number is CD 7 54419 2.
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2002-01-27 22:51
I am wondering if any German players, like Sabine Meyer, has recorded the Poulenc?
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Author: Tiffany
Date: 2002-02-01 13:42
I have a good one of Stanley Drucker. It's fairly new with some other recordings as well which includes Copeland, Debussy...that's all I can remember at the moment. I reccomend it!
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