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Author: Clarice
Date: 2002-01-08 08:01
Hi,
Although I manage to tongue reasonably fast I would like to learn how to double tongue. I've read up on many methods but frankly they all lead to no success or more honestly "they make no real sense..". I was wondering if anyone with self experience could tell me exactly how they learnt to do it. Also if someone could also tell me some exercises to start with that would be great!
Thanks.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2002-01-08 12:15
Go to Clark Fobes website and get his article on "Synthetic Speed Tonguing"
http://www.clarkwfobes.com/Synthetic%20Speed%20Tonguing.htm
excellent article, well thought out.
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Author: William
Date: 2002-01-09 15:49
A good artical, but it is unnecessary to "mix" the single and double tongue once you acheive success. In most of the orchestral excerts noted, it is possible--and desirable, if you are articulatively challenged--to use the double tongue exclusively. Also, Mr Fobes ignors the "over the tip" method of multiple tonguing skills, such as practiced by John Bruce-Yeh (Associate Principal, CSO) in his recording of the Neilson Concerto. I use the t-k method in scale and arpeggiated sequences of "ultra-fast" notes, but on repeated notes, I articulate by flipping my tongue over the tip of the mpc and reed, one note as the tongue goes up and the second as the tongue flicks back down. No reed damage has ever occured and the resulting articulation is as clear as in single tonguing. It takes a bit of practice to attain eveness, but it can be done--often in less time than you initially think.
Triple tonguing?? In scales and arpeggios--t-t-k works for me. On repeated notes, single tongue the first note and "flip tongue" the next two.
Fast single tonguing is the best. But, if you are Born to be slow"--as Mr. Fobes suggests, once you become proficient in multiple tonguing skills, your colleges will not be able to tell if you are using it (or not).
Best of luck, and Good Clarineting!!!!!! (TA-DA!!!!)
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Author: Jonathan Farquhar (Aus)
Date: 2002-01-10 22:35
The best ideas that I have come across regarding this subject (although I have yet to put them into practice) are those spelt out by David Pino in his book "The Clarinet and Clarinet Playing" in the chapter on double and triple toungueing. This method is different to all others that I have heard (not that I've thouroughly researched the topic) and to me when reading it made a lot more sense. Also contained within the chapter are numerous daily excercises that will train you slowly in how to do it. And besides all that it is a fantastic book anyway.
Hope this helps,
Jonathan
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Author: Jonathan Farquhar (Aus)
Date: 2002-01-10 22:46
(sorry to post again, but just briefly this method given by Pino is based around the use of articulating with the tongue of the words tuttle-uttle-uttle-etc for Double and Tuttle-a-tuttle-a-etc for Tripple tongueing. Which takes away the use of the t-k-t-k-t-k - which when I've tried to use doesn't work so well as the k syllable is actually just stopping the air with the back of the tongue [which doesn't seem to sound too good for me] - whereas the method by Pino is designed to make the tongue brush the reed two or three times depending whether u want Double or tripple tongueing.)
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Author: Mark J
Date: 2002-01-11 15:09
All the descriptions of double-tonguing I've read describe the action as T K T K T K in whatever combination. This seems to me to miss an important point. It will provide fast articulation OK, but NOT fast staccato. There is no effort to provide the clear ENDING to each note that is required to achieve the gap between each note. Most passages where speed is required are also marked staccato. We don't want them to sound dergerdergerderger.
If you think of saying tik cut tik cut tik cut etc. the final consonant of each stroke provides the necessary cut-off and the momentary silence. Also the action involved in the "cut" part seems to give a more explosive attack which is more like the T sound so less noticable to the listener.
I too am blessed with a pathetically slow single tongue so have relied on double-
tonguing all my career. I would recommend T k t K t k T k t K t k for triplets as they work much faster. If the sound is uneven you haven't practised the K sound enough
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