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 Out of Tune Bb
Author: Russ 
Date:   2002-01-08 01:29

My throat tone Bb is out of tune! Is sounds really ugly and airy. It's not me, and several other clarinet players have told me that I'm not the problem. What could be wrong?

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: Dee 
Date:   2002-01-08 01:47

The throat Bb is a bad note on most clarinets. Use good air support. Keep the hole for the register key absolutely clean. That hole is too small as it is a compromise to use it as both a register key and as the Bb. If it gets the slightest buildup, even if not visible, it can make the situation worse. In passages that permit it, play the Bb that uses the a side key.

Is it actually out of tune or just bad tonal quality?

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: GBK 
Date:   2002-01-08 01:50

Russ...The throat tone Bb can be significantly improved by using one of the resonance fingerings. Use a little trial and error with some of the possible fingerings until you find the one that works best with your clarinet.

Read this thread, as it was just recently discussed:

http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=63994&t=63769 ...GBK

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: Wendy 
Date:   2002-01-08 03:29

Dee said, "Keep the hole for the register key absolutely clean. ... If it gets the slightest buildup, even if not visible, it can make the situation worse."

How exactly do you clean this hole? I can't even figure out how to get the moisture out when it starts gurgling in that hole after about 1/2 hour of playing. There's no way to get at it.

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: Jim E. 
Date:   2002-01-08 03:50

You need to remove the key to clean the hole. For moisture, try blowing forcefully from the side with the key open.

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: gretchen 
Date:   2002-01-08 03:52

to clean the whole, take the key off by using a very small screw driver and take the screws out...but make sure that you don't lose the small screws! take a pipe cleaner and clean out the whole.
After putting the key back on...
If you get water in any of your keys in the upper joint this trick is popular and very effective. (make sure you have cleaning paper w/ you after you do this though.) Take the upperjoint by itself in your hands. With your left hand, cover all of the wholes as if you were playing a C. With your righ hand, cover the bottom of the upper joint with your palm to make a tight seal (where it connects w/ the lower joint) so that no air can escape. then blow on the top part of the upper joint (where the barrel should go.) You should not be able to get any air through the horn because it is all stopped up. Now, with your left hand, push the octave key down and leave everything else...as if you were playing a high G instead of a C. this way, only the air will leak out of the octave key hole and the water that is there behind it is forced out. You can do this on any key as long as evetything else is sealed.
have a good time emptying your tone holes! happy clarineting!  :)

Gretchen

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: Clarice 
Date:   2002-01-08 07:48

hey Russ,

Although it looks like you've got enough responses I would just like to say "I know what you mean!'
Recapping on what everyone else said tuning wise, you should try placing fingers 2 and 3 on the left hand down aswell as the whole right hand- to attempt a venting effect. Try experimenting with different combinations eg finger 3 on the left hand and 1 and 2 on the right. But you will never fix it if you don't think about it so make sure you figure out with a tuner first if your flat or sharp.
On the matter of your tone quality I really think its to do with support and you embousure combination. Try this, sit up straight and inhale a breathe through your mouth super fast and pause, the support you can feel around your stomach should be like that the WHOLE time you play the clarinet.
Well I really hoped I helped, goodluck.

Clarice :)

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: ron b 
Date:   2002-01-08 08:27

Well... :]
Make sure the A key adjustment is okay, Russ, that it's lifting the Ab/G# key as well. If that's okay, then check your register key pad. First, the register pad should be cork because a cork vent pad works best if it's tapered to an inverted cone shape, top flattened where it contacts the vent hole so it will make a good seat. If yours is not like that, it's easy to shape it yourself with a fingernail file (grit) board or a small piece of medium grit sandpaper. Remove the register key to look for the impression of the vent hole (careful, it may not be centered exactly). Now, shape the cork to slope away from the Outside of the impression toward the key cup, being careful not to scratch the metal. As stated in above responses, clean the vent hole. Pipe cleaners work well if there's stuff in there. In a pinch, remove some of the cotton from a Q-tip (better than nothing). If you have key oil, put a tiny amount on the hinge screw at this point. Reinstall the key. Now, make sure the pad clearance is okay. The clearance doesn't need to be more than the diameter of the hole. Assuming other things are all right, a clean vent and a properly shaped cork pad should improve things a bit  :)
If you don't want to mess with all that, ask your repair tech to do it. It's a minimal cost, while-you-wait adjustment. Gotta run now, I hear all the techs winding up to start throwing bottle caps :
It's not really as complicated as it may sound and hopefully it'll make for some tuneful tootin' :o)

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: Gordon (NZ) 
Date:   2002-01-08 13:01

Yes, do as Ron sugggests. And an easy test whether the conical cork is going to help, just try plying the Bb with the register key removed altogether. You'll probably be pleasantly surprised.

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2002-01-09 14:53

Wendy comments, re the register key hole: "I can't even figure out how to get the moisture out when it starts gurgling in that hole after about 1/2 hour of playing."

For those who have wondered why many older instruments have the register hole on the top side of the instrument, here's an answer. Moisture won't run up.

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 RE: Out of Tune Bb
Author: Gordon (NZ) 
Date:   2002-01-09 22:42

But...
The metal tube is likely to be the coldest part of the bore, and therefore suffer most from condensation of moisture. If the tube is at the top of the instrument this moisture will fun down the outcide of the tube and sit at the end of the hole.

Whether this theory happens in practice I don't know.

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