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Author: Rae
Date: 2001-12-09 20:32
I'm am in my 2nd year of band and I still don't know how to transpose concert notes into clarinet notes. I don't want to ask my director because I'm to embarrassed to. Please explain how to!!!
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Author: sarah
Date: 2001-12-09 20:36
If you have something in concert pitch and are playing on clarinet, read everything a whole step higher. So if you see a D, you would play an E for then note to be the right pitch.
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Author: Emms
Date: 2001-12-09 21:05
You also have to transpose the key signature - either lose 2 flats or gain 2 sharps.
eg, if C major is concert pitch, play in D major or if Bb major is concert pitch, play in C major.(also up a tone or whole step)
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Author: sarah
Date: 2001-12-09 21:49
Thanks Ron!
I don't even deal with a new key signature, I just think about whole steps. I know that if I see a D# that I play an E# (F).
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Author: ron b
Date: 2001-12-10 03:16
Sarah
Now that you mention it, I think you're right, I probably don't really deal with key signatures either any more. When I do consider it, it's probably a flashback to when, as a beginner, I was told that's how you do it. Yeah, I guess I, too, just read whole steps and don't muddle things by trying to analyze 'em. However, I do mention adding two sharps when explaining it to someone who doesn't yet transpose by sight. Do you think maybe that complicates things too much?
- ron b -
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Author: Jim E.
Date: 2001-12-10 03:59
I suppose that the key signature is not very important if you are transposing while playing, but it is very necessary if writting a transposition, to avoid things like E#s.
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2001-12-10 04:03
OK can someone explain how the flats cancel out the sharps? If you're reading a piece in A flat, then would you transpose the piece to B flat?
This has always been so confusing for me.
Sorry for any duplication...
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Author: GBK
Date: 2001-12-10 04:16
Lisa...If you are playing a piece in the concert key of Ab Major (key signature of 4 flats), the key for the Bb clarinet would be Bb Major (2 flats).
In this case, the rule of adding two sharps to the key signature to find the clarinet key, means that in essence 2 of the so called added sharps will negate 2 of the flats in the original key signature - thus making the new key signature only have 2 flats in it, instead of 4...GBK
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2001-12-10 12:39
Thanks, GBK.... that makes it much easier to understand.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2001-12-10 12:46
Lisa L...Your welcome. Now, if only my students grasped that concept as quickly as you did...GBK
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2001-12-10 13:59
GBK: I studied piano for a while so I have some basic concept of music theory, but I never had a formal music theory class or a music class in college for that matter. But my music theory knowledge doesn't get me as far as I need it to sometimes!
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Author: GBK
Date: 2001-12-10 14:19
Lisa L - A few pages back on this bulletin board I recommended a number of theory texts. I also said that all serious musicians should have a working knowledge of at least the rudiments of theory, and the purchase of a good text would be a nice addition to one's personal music library.
Also, as a last resort, there are some web sites (some are horrible, others are passable) which can also supplement your texts. One of the better ones is:
http://www.musictheory.net
It is by no means a complete site, but many of the rudiments you are looking for can be found there...GBK
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Author: Lisa L
Date: 2001-12-10 14:39
GBK: Yes... music theory is so important. I wonder if transposition is also a part of music theory? I mean, since I never had a formal music class while in college, I feel kind of lost sometimes as to how far my knowledge of music theory can take me, and I also wonder where the appropriate places are to apply such knowledge. In any case, I don't know if I am making sense here... but I have been meaning to check into some music theory books. Thanks again for your help.
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Author: sarah
Date: 2001-12-10 20:14
Music theory can be applied everywhere. For example, if you are playing a solo it is very helpful to know the structure and chord progression. If you are in a band it helps a lot to know what chords are being played and what part you have in those chords. Of course people can always play without knowing this, but I think it helps a lot.
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2001-12-10 23:33
You know, I think key signatures just become a prescript after a few years. i.e. you have enough music theory and ear training (hopefully) to read the notes and know which one would fit.
Sometimes E#s show up, though.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2001-12-11 16:07
It is probably easier in the long run to think in the key signature rather than to think only note by note. This allows you to think in more of a global sense. It just takes a bit longer for some to get comfortable doing this.
Now on to the key signature business: Think of it this way- the Bb clarinet has 2 flats built in. Let's say you see a piece in the concert key of G. That means you take the one sharp given and then add to more to cancel your own. If you saw a piece in concert pitch Eb then you already have two flats (Bbclarinet) so you only need one in the key signature.
Another way to think of this is say you are in G. You know you need to move up a full step which means you are in the key of A. Whatever works for you. You might find it good to do one and then the other to double check that you came up with the same answer.
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Author: ~ jerry
Date: 2001-12-14 00:28
What are concert notes? Would that be music written for piano? Is piano music written using only treble cleff?
How does one transpose music written for piano.............as simpley as described above?
While on the subject_______
Is there a simple computer program available for transcribing .......say, piano (or other misic)?
Do I sound like I know what I am talking about?...........NO!!
~ jerry
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Author: Amy
Date: 2001-12-16 01:53
My band director wrote a series of theory workbooks: Fundamentals of Music Theory (by Eric Harris). There are two books out right now; he's working on book 3. He makes us do them every day in class, and it is a real pain in the butt, but I still learn a lot by doing it. Anyways, most of the stuff that you (Rae) want to know about can be found in Book 2. I'm not really sure if they are being sold all over the country, because they are fairly new. Still, it won't hurt to look. I'm sure any theory book would be helpful. ; )
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