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 more on the concerto in Fm....
Author: Jessica 
Date:   2001-12-02 03:21

I was just reading Cindy's post and thought you all might be able to give me a little advice too since I'm currently working on the same piece.

My problem is with the trills at the end of the third movement... where it has the trill on a G with grace notes F#/G up to sixteenths starting on Bb.... hopefully you've figured out where I'm talking about.

Anyway, they weren't giving me any trouble for a while, but I just upped the tempo I'm playing it at, and all of a sudden the grace notes aren't sounding at all... I've tried taking the trill out and practicing it with just the grace notes, then putting the trill back in, but it hasn't been helping... any tips?

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 RE: more on the concerto in Fm....
Author: GBK 
Date:   2001-12-02 06:07

Jessica...Unfortunately, there are no alternate fingerings to advise in this passage. The traditional fingerings are the recommended ones here.

However, I can suggest some practice tips to help you iron out the passage.

You are on the right track by breaking the difficult section into smaller pieces. I would recommend practicing it in the following sequence (of course slowly at first) With many repititions to train the fingers (and the brain):

1. quarter note and 4 sixteenths only (no trill/no grace notes) Remember the G is slurred to the group of sixteenths.
2. quarter note, grace notes, 4 sixteenths (no trill) Again, the quarter note and grace notes are slurred to the sixteenths.
3. quarter note WITH ONE TRILL ONLY, grace notes, 4 sixteenths (watch the slurs)
4. quarter note, multiple trills, grace notes, 4 sixteenths (as written)

Using this 4 step sequence (and not going to the next step until totally mastering and feeling confortable with the previous suggested pattern) you should be able to actually make this passage a virtuoso display with just a little diligence.

Keep us posted if this helps you...GBK

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 RE: more on the concerto in Fm....
Author: Cindy 
Date:   2001-12-03 04:19

I got this part by starting by playing it slowly, and try just the trill (no grace notes) but make sure you trill only 5 times, leaving enough time so you can insert the grace notes later. After you have this perfectly, try adding the grace notes. Your fingers will be so used to ending the trill on the fifth time that you should have no problem inserting the grace notes.

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