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 why does clarinet overblow at a12th?
Author: Helen 
Date:   2001-11-01 21:50

Just wondered why the clarinet overblows at a12th, whereas the flute/sax/oboe overblow at the 8ve?

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 RE: why does clarinet overblow at a12th?
Author: Dee 
Date:   2001-11-02 02:16

Because the clarinet is, acoustically speaking, a cylindrical pipe closed at one end. This means it will overblow at the 12th.

The flute is a cylindrical pipe open at both ends. Thus flutes overblow the octave.

Sax and oboe are both conical conical. Thus they also overblow the octave.

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 RE: why does clarinet overblow at a12th?
Author: Stephen Froehlich 
Date:   2001-11-02 04:20

There have been numerous past threads on this. I got the last big one by searching on "12th AND physics".

See:

http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=49804&t=49799

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 RE: why does clarinet overblow at a12th?
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2001-11-05 01:56

Not simple to explain without getting deeply into the physics of sound, but here goes:
Differences in sound of various instruments are caused by differences in harmonic content of the sounds produced (multiples of the note's "fundamental" frequency). The clarinet's sound is similar to the sound of a "square wave." A true square wave, which can be created with electronic equipment, has no even harmonics included at all, and the clarinet's sound has very few. The second harmonic (twice the fundamental frequency -- an octave higher), is almost totally absent from the clarinet's sound. Therefore, the clarinet cannot overblow an octave. However, the clarinet's sound is very rich in odd-numbered harmonics, the strongest of these being the third harmonic (three times the fundamental frequency), so the clarinet overblows to the third harmonic, which is a twelfth. If you need a more extensive explanation, the link above may help.

Regards,
John

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 RE: why does clarinet overblow at a12th?
Author: Mark Charette 
Date:   2001-11-05 02:18

John,
The even harmonics are <b>very</b> present in a clarinet's sound (especially as one goes up in range); see http://hughes38.som.ohio-state.edu for some spectra taken with calibrated equipment.

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 RE: why does clarinet overblow at a12th?
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2001-11-05 05:41

Mark, I have fallen into a universal trap: trying to provide a simple explanation for a complex topic. So now I add a few comments:

The even-numbered harmonics of a clarinet's fundamental tone are very weak *in the chalumeau register*. After all, that's the one that we start with, before overblowing. If the clarinet is played in the clarion or altissimo registers, the instrument is being overblown, so the harmonic picture changes quite dramatically. In fact, the differences in the harmonic patterns give the instrument its different sounds in the different registers, especially noticeable between the chalumeau and the upper registers.

And the "presence" of even harmonics does *not* mean that they have appreciable intensity. It is a bit amusing that in the the Ohio State U charts which you linked, every single one is labeled "even harmonics... are clearly present," even though those in the chalumeau register (F3 and E4) show the second harmonics vanishingly small. Of course, they're present; it would require a piece of laboratory electronic equipment to generate a near-perfect square wave. For that matter, odd harmonics are clearly present, too. It is as if whoever made the charts wanted to arrive at a specific conclusion, so the charts are simply labeled with that conclusion, regardless of the significance of the harmonics. F3, for example, shows the second harmonic approximately 40 dB below the fundamental frequency, a power intensity difference of about *ten thousand times*. E4's second harmonic appears to be perhaps 35 dB down (a difference of exactly 35 dB would represent a power ratio of 3,162 to one). In neither case, I suggest, is the second harmonic sufficient to have any noticeable effect on what's happening. And on both these charts, there are only three even-numbered harmonics (the eighth, tenth, and twelfth of F3) which have a power intensity greater than a hundredth of the fundamental. Perhaps my comment that the second harmonic is "almost totally absent" may be a bit pushy, so may I alter that to "a few thousand times lower in power intensity" in order to offer less arm-waving and a more definitive statement. Again, this applies in the chalumeau register.

I do beg the indulgence of all in my comment regarding even-numbered harmonics that "the clarinet has very few." This, of course, is a misstatement. In truth, harmonics, if present at all, go on into the ultrasonic range. I should have said, rather, that (in the chalumeau register) the clarinet's even-numbered harmonics are all very weak. In the clarion and altissimo, as we are no longer at the chalumeau's fundamental frequency as the predominant tone, the harmonic situation differs considerably. Here, the harmonics appear generally to decrease in intensity more or less regularly, from the second harmonic on through the higher-order partials. From a physics standpoint, it appears as if opening the "speaker" key gives us an effect closer to that of a completely open pipe.

I do appreciate the OSU charts, because they make quite clear the reason the clarinet does not overblow an octave, but rather a twelfth. As a harmonic, the octave is barely produced in the clarion register, while the twelfth is far stronger. Looking at the charts for F3 and E4, it is seen that in each case, the twelfth (third harmonic) is perhaps 13 dB down from the fundamental, a power difference of only twenty times. Again, the octaves (second harmonics) are *thousands* of times weaker. The F3 chart also shows the fifth and seventh harmonics at levels almost equal in intensity to the fundamental frequency, offering clear evidence of something we all know: it's pretty easy to get a high-pitched "squeak" when overblowing notes such as this one.

Mark, thanks for keeping me honest.  :)

Regards,
John

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 RE: why does clarinet overblow at a12th?
Author: JMcAulay 
Date:   2001-11-05 15:02

After a nice nap, I awoke thinking about those fifth and seventh harmonics shown on the F3 chart. They appear to be just too strong. While I am not one to challenge data only because it doesn't seem right to me, it strikes me as strange that those would have an intensity very nearly the same as the fundamental frequency. I would have expected some of the odd harmonics to be quite high-powered, but not *that* high. Life is so filled with interesting things....

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