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Author: Angela
Date: 2001-10-26 00:51
I just got an A clarinet from my college to use for our upcoming concert. It seems relatively new and when I put it together, I can't get the joints together fully and it is very hard to get apart. Is this because it hasn't been used much? When I bought my B-flat Buffet, it was used and I never had this problem. I have even added cork grease and it isn't helping.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2001-10-26 01:38
Take it to your local music store and have the technician sand the inside of the joints slightly (a professional should do this--don't try it at home), or sand the cork a bit. He'll know by looking which should be done. It should fit snuggly, but not so tight that it's almost impossible to get together or take apart.
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Author: willie
Date: 2001-10-26 05:42
If its too tight, it could cause a crack to start at the tenon. You can also dammage (bend) a key or two in the process of "wrestling" it apart. Take it to a good tech and have it properly fitted.
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Author: Angela
Date: 2001-10-26 12:30
If I'm just borrowing it from my school, is it my responsibility to fix it myself or should I get the school to do it?
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2001-10-26 13:45
When I was using a school instrument, it would take forever to get any kind of repair done if I went through my teacher. I usually took it down to the music store myself. They might have an account set up for your school--ask the teacher about it. Actually, your teacher might be able to fix the problem. But, it can't be ignored.
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Author: Ken
Date: 2001-10-27 21:39
I'd do exactly as Brenda says or you might wind up with a handful of keys.
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Author: C@p
Date: 2001-10-28 00:06
When looking for a clarinet, I was told that when the joint between the upper and lower keyed parts were hard to merge or take apart that it was a sign that the wood was swelling and that this clarinet should be discarded from the purchase selection process.
I was also told that this could happen if one over used the clarinet when it was new. The idea was not to play it for more than a half hour at a time, then dry it and leave it sit for a day. I used two clarientes during the break in period and I have had no trouble. I now play it for up to two hours but it is swabbed every half hour, especially the joint cavities which I wipe out lightly with Kleenex facial tissue.
But if this is not your clarinet, it is not your problem. Nevertheless, discuss this with the one responsible for the horn so as to let it be known that probems that might result are not caused by you and to put them on the alert as to precautions to take or to possibley see if the horn can be returned or replaced.
If what I have written is not borne out by the knowledgable experience of others, forget where you read this.
C@p
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Author: Ken
Date: 2001-10-28 02:17
Barring the techno jargon and geek knowledge many folks on the board have vast more expertise, I'm a working doubler and on my clarinet 35+ hours a week. Sounds to me her horn is going through its normal paces and she should stick with it, there's no way if the joints are matched she couldn't screw them in all the way with a generous application of cork grease, careful and proper pressure screwing it together and if needed even lightly sanding down tenon cork on the upper joint. It's a no-brainer, playing a new horn hours at a time and during the recommended break in period will contribute to excessive swelling, stretching and extracting. Sudden or extreme temperature changes WITHOUT playing can cause the same affect as well. The horn is most likely going through its paces as it settles and not a reason in itself to trash it. You'll be hard-pressed getting your money back for that reason alone.
For me, I don't have the time to follow manufacturers' directions for break in, if I did I'd have to buy two or three horns and baby them one at a time. Bottom line, is if you've got a bad horn, bad wood to begin with in time it's going to crack or split regardless how much you play it at first.
I just bought a new Selmer Signature and am experiencing all kinds of weirdness with expanding wood and keys locking up. I haven't even had time to send it up to Bill and Linda yet, which will solve everything. It's a great horn for $2,500 (hats off Tom and Ed!!!) and I'm going to stick with it through the break in. Matter of fact, I was in the middle of a recording session this week and all of a sudden the register key ring seized taking the front F# ring and adjoining lever along with it. It really sucked, my open/throat g natural was knocked out and I had to manually adjust the keys each time I depressed them. At the break, I had to unscrew the thumb key ring and side lever, take a reed knife and scoop out layers of silver plating inside the ring relieve the tension against the register tube post. I swear to God you kids and amateurs worry too much.
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Author: Julia Meyer
Date: 2001-10-28 03:21
Ken wrote: <I swear to God you kids and amateurs worry too much.>
Please don't ken. Some find taking His name in vain offensive, simply because it IS.
Thank you for not doing it in the future.
Julia
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-10-28 03:48
Julia, you'll need to get a thicker skin I think. There are people of all types here and that little mild "swear to god" thing above is not worth a remark (or an edit, of course). Some of us don't even believe in any god ...
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Author: Julia Meyer
Date: 2001-10-29 21:27
sorry Mark---maybe I should write off board to you----but in this day and age, aren't we supposed to respect EVERYBODY....and their beliefs. I guess when it comes to taking His name in vain, or using other profane language and what not, you can do whatever you want even though it is known to be offensive to some people.
I guess I don't understand this respect thing...
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-10-30 00:09
I think this "respect" thing can go way too far. When I sneeze and someone says "bless you" I don't turn arround and castigate the person saying it just because I don't happen to believe in any god(s). I say "Thank you" and take it in the vein it was given - as a little polite saying that has no formal meaning.
Pretty soon people won't be able to have a conversation - or even an argument - just so we can "all get along". A mild little thing like the above is not meant to offend, doesn't offend 99.99% of the people, and the .01% have a choice to make.
I personally will rue the day when we all drown in the pool of uniformity.
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Author: Julia Meyer
Date: 2001-10-30 00:28
right mark---the "bless you" thing when said by most people doesn't mean anything ...just a polite comment for when someone sneezes--its custom and people accept it as such. However, taking His name in vain shouldn't be custom, and it is far from a "polite saying that has no meaning"
So....please don't do it.
Thanks!
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-10-30 10:30
And what, Julia, makes you think that you are imune from offending when you give the word 'he' a capital letter. You are trying to impose YOUR personal god concepts - and the requirements that you have been indoctrinated to associate with that god - upon me, and I don't like it. It reminds me of Bin Laben forcing his will on others in the name of HIS god and HIS religious conditioning.
"So....please don't do it.
Thanks!"
There are a million more views of life than you seem to be conscious of. The world is full of diversity way beyond your experience, including religious outlook.
So don't try to impose yours on anybody. That, historically, has been one of the most objectionable features of Christianity.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-10-30 13:38
Julia, the language I allow through this board is what I consider inoffensive, and it will remain as such. You objection to the "swear by god" phrase is noted. It will not be edited out. You may ask people to not use the phrase, and they may or may not stop using it. I, for one, will use phrases such as that in the BBoard when called for to make a point. I refuse to whitewash my language to the point of being pap.
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Author: Julia Meyer
Date: 2001-10-30 18:21
well mark---when you decide to use that language, could you please make a special note of it so I don't have to read those posts where you say it?
I don't want to make such a rash statement as to say I will no longer visit the board...because it is a great source of information. However, can you make it known so that I will not read such posts that are offensive? Thank you. I also, if you will notice, asked that he refrain from it in the future--which you just said was fine...therefore why are we even having this discussion?
Gordon--first, Ken is the one that capatalized "god"....
second, its not me that it offends.
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Author: C@p
Date: 2001-10-30 23:04
Can we get back to posts about new clarinets?
C@p
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-10-31 04:48
Julia - I don't think so. You'll have to read the post and close your eyes when you find some "offensive" language.
I still think you need a thicker skin. What to you do in public, where "I swear by god" is an incredibly common phrase, in the same leauge as "god bless you" when I sneeze?
Time to get back to important things ...
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Author: Julia Meyer
Date: 2001-10-31 06:16
I agree we need to get back to clarinet, seeing how this is a clarinet board. Hmm---somehow I'll have to find a way not to read any of your posts since you refuse to be respectful. Maybe I will have to stop visiting the site because you are the "moderator" so to speak, and what you purport is what the site purports....theoretically.
I guess I just find it interesting that we have to accept everybody except for those people who seem to be too "picky".
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-10-31 11:20
Julia it would be very, very difficult to offend me. I was just making a point.
We are only offended by the things we CHOOSE to be offended by. Therefore the problem is the person being offended rather than the person so-called offending. To me, choosing to be offended and making a big issue of it is a form of attention seeking.... "I have nothing of worth to say so please notice me for being offended - Woe is me!"
It comes across as rather pathetic. You could spend your entire life hunting for things to be offended by, and what will you have achieved? I don't recall reading that Jesus did that.
If you are part of the real world you will need to be far more accepting of the huge spectrum of attitudes and ways of life you will find in that real world, of which this forum is a part.
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Author: Julia Meyer
Date: 2001-10-31 14:59
I still stand by my last post.
Gordon--I was merely making a point when I said that it was ken who capatalized "god"---drawing your attention to the critical point
Also--like I said before...its not me that it offends
As far as the "wider spectrum" I still stand by my last post.
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Author: C@p
Date: 2001-10-31 15:00
This is a double posting.
Please DO NOT Reply To This Post Here!!!
The thread of “A Thread To Discuss Beliefs and Language” has been attempted to handle this discussion.
Go there!!
It has all of what follows and none of what precedes the period that ends this sentence.
The reason I suggested in the “New Clarinet Problem” post that we get back to clarinet problems is because while the discussion on politeness, the use of the words “god” and “God” and how to acknowledge a sneeze seem somewhat of a waste of time for those who, in good faith, look at a topic of discussion and waste their time plowing through the “correctness” posts in order to find some substantive information about new clarinet problems.
But, not wanting to discourage free speech, I have set up this new topic to handle what seems, by reason of the number of follow up posts on the mutated topic, to be a heartfelt interest in the subject.
The belief in God or the belief in god or the belief in something else, and the lack of belief in anything are very personal attributes of being human. The belief that one should correct others for disagreeing with what they see as the absolute truth sometimes has the intensity of trying to pull someone out of the path of a speeding car. It is seen as the right thing to do, the only thing to do, and the need to do so is so innate and overwhelming that personal danger to the would-be rescuer is not realized at the time that the noble deed is attempted. I suggest that this feeling can be on both sides of the question. I have seen non-believes just as evangelical in their attitudes and actions as believers.
I too, had I the power, would have everyone believe as I do. But I don’t and in that position of weakness I let others believe as they will as long as they do not infringe upon my rights to believe as I wish or as long they will not cause personal harm to themselves or others while in this life.
As a practical matter, if you are offended by language, you can copy the post to a word processor, run a Find and Replace on “god” or whatever might offend you, replace it with *** and then read the post to get the substantive meaning someone was initially trying to communicate about the subject even if the choice of language might not have been universally accepted.
Of course, if you wish to communicate your most intense thoughts privately by merely clicking on the name of the poster and let this thread die the natural death it deserves, you can do that, too.
So, here is your opportunity to expound on your personal beliefs and upon the personal beliefs of others without worrying if you include the word “clarinet” somewhere in the post.
C@p
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-11-01 09:50
Well, Julia, I have to respect your obstinacy if nothing else!
C&p I prefer to write here where almost nobody is taking notice and the thread can quickly fade to oblivion.
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Author: Helen
Date: 2001-11-01 21:21
julia, you need to get a life rather than worrying about a few words in print. there are far worse things that can happen
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Author: Julia Meyer
Date: 2001-11-02 01:08
I just wanted helen and gordon to know that I read their posts----i can't really think of anything to say though.
Only that its the principle that matters, and that i still think its odd how only certain people are respected....
And Gordon: I really don't understand your logic as far as your understanding of offense is concerned...
Anyway....thats all.
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Author: Ken
Date: 2001-11-02 03:17
I only hope my time, message and advice benefited someone.
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Author: Helen
Date: 2001-11-02 10:46
The world is a big place, full of different values and opinions. I'm sure in speech it is possible to offend someone all the time. I thought god (big or smallG is up to you) forgave, turned the other cheek, tolerated people rather than having a holier than thou approach. If it doesn't offend you, I don't see others complaining. maybe it offended no-one else!!!!
I find people pushing their principles on others offending. Live and let live.
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