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 can you guys help me here?
Author: Corey 
Date:   2001-10-24 00:13

Ok-- I know this oboe player that is in the ninth grade and really can't count music very well and he really loves music. Do you guys have any advice for him to get better at it?

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Amy 
Date:   2001-10-24 02:22

easiest way is just to play it over and over again the right way and get it in ur head.

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Kyle Jubenville 
Date:   2001-10-24 03:11

maybe he doesn't understand how to count the beat. maybe he missed some basic theory instruction in the beginning and never got it.

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Kim L 
Date:   2001-10-24 03:17

Don't say a word because you could upset and embarrass him. Some people just aren't able to count as well as others.

Kim L.

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Hiroshi 
Date:   2001-10-24 08:10

>Some people just aren't able to count as well as others.

I remember when I learned how to count at primary school I had a difficulty. But I eventually knew how to count. Almost all full coverage method books have such exercises as tunes including dotted notes(typical in Scotland forksongs) or syncopations. This can be learned.

This one came up by searching net.
http://datadragon.com/education/reading/

Other pages may be available by using key words 'counting music',
'counting time' , 'reading music' etc. I used Google search engine.

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Kyle 
Date:   2001-10-24 20:37

Flashcards mabey?
~Kyle~

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: sarah 
Date:   2001-10-25 01:13

I would help this person, especially since he is still young. You might want to see if he a general understanding of counting, like 1e+a 2e+a....I know it helps some people to write in the counting in their music, I don't know how much this is recomended, but I think it must help. Encourage him to keep trying.

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Hiroshi 
Date:   2001-10-25 02:34

When use a leg to count, it is better to use a bigger part i.e. move the big bone under the knee, not just the toe. This way the brain knows more vividly rythmic feeling. This technique is known by good brass band teachers like lare Mr.Moore.

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Hiroshi 
Date:   2001-10-25 02:34

When use a leg to count, it is better to use a bigger part i.e. move the big bone under the knee, not just the toe. This way the brain knows more vividly rythmic feeling. This technique is known by good brass band teachers like late Mr.Moore.

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Pam 
Date:   2001-10-25 02:38

Also, tap your foot to the second hand on the clock. Do it all the time not just when playing. Eventually he'll know what 60 beats per minute should be. Then he can expand from there.

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Jim (E) 
Date:   2001-10-25 04:54

I've had teachers and directors tell me not to tap with the foot, but just the toe in order to be discrete about it.

One can work with a metronome at dividing and sub-dividing the beat. Start slowly and then work faster. Yes... 60 seems easy because we are all so clock oriented, and 120 is simply 60 divided in half.

Best yet might be a few private lessons with a good percussion teacher.

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Bob Curtis 
Date:   2001-10-26 00:31

Time counting is a mental process related to math. Once you understand the basics by what ever method of syllable counting you use then the rest comes easy. It all boils down to getting the BASICS of time counting down correctly, and then proceeding on to the more difficult parts. I suggest that the individual contact his teacher and have a good one on one session with them or a private tutor to assist in this endeavor in some one on one sessions for the best results.

Good luck,
Bob Curtis

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 RE: can you guys help me here?
Author: Kim 
Date:   2001-10-28 13:56

Get a metronome! (sorry if I spelled that wrong!!) and, also have him play it over an dover again until he gets the hang of it.

*Kim*

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