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Author: jenna
Date: 2001-10-16 23:09
Yes, I know.. a clarinet board.. but anyway..
Being the fantastic best friend I am, I'm looking into getting my best friend a flugel for Christmas (i'll pay what I would normally spend, his mom will pick up the rest - joint gift). Right now I'm looking into a 4 valve Getzen from a member of our community band (he wants to sell and get a nice yamaha). Do you guys know anything I should look for with it? I don't think my community band friends would try to pull anything over on me, but I'd still like outside opinions - I've been polling everyone who may know about this stuff. Anything you can tell me about the horn.. compliments, complaints, price range for a used?
Also.. what would I want to look at in mouthpiece if I chose that route? He plays a 7C on his Bach Strad..
Thanks in advance.. I know I'm rather off topic.. but I don't want to screw up, and this is the best place for this type of information I know. Maybe some of the techs have some opinions..?
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2001-10-17 02:45
Couesnon seems to be the fluegel of choice for pro's in this area anyway. I don't know much about the Getzen since I've not seen too many. The Yamaha has some following. Just make sure that the valves don't leak and slides move freely. Check to see that the valve guides aren't worn to the point that the valves won't stay in alignment. Mouthpieces are individualistic. I use a Bach 1 1/2 C, but it takes a pretty strong embouchre to play. Very flexible and rich sounding once you get used to it.
I would have it looked at by an experience brass tech before purchasing.
John
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Author: al
Date: 2001-10-17 12:54
Getzen flugelhorns are good . The are made in my neck of the woods
Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. One thing to check!! Make sure the mpce fits.
They make an adapter if needed. Good Luck!
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Author: william
Date: 2001-10-17 14:14
Many players I know use Bach 2.5 c mpcs. The average beginner uses a 7c. Remember, higher numbers designate smaller cups (high notes easier but sound becomes pinched)--smaller numbers designate larger cups (lower notes easier, more embouchure control needed but sound is more resonate). The letters indicated the depth of the cup, from A=deep to higher letters becoming more shallow. For a flugel where "screaming" high notes are not the objective, but rather a smooth mellow mid-range sound, I'd try a 2.5 to 5 c series and determine what works best. Good Flugeling!!!!!
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Author: Lawrence
Date: 2001-10-17 21:16
As a converted brass player and doubler, I can say the Cuesnon's are great. Finding one at all, much less a good one, is tough. Many pros play a Bach, although Bach QC seems uncertain at this time. Yamaha makes great brass (I have played a few of their trombones and they are really nice) although I have never played their flugel. Their pro line flugel (the small bore one) looks like a nice horn. If I were buying sight unseen, I would go for it, just bases on Yamaha's reputation. Go for 3 valves not 4. A third valve slide trigger is nice but not absolutely necessary. Good luck.
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Author: jenna
Date: 2001-10-17 22:27
yeh.. I haven't quite figured out the 7c. He has another mouthpiece.. but he always youses the 7c.. and go figure, he's an awesome trumpet player. Solo/first in marching band, concert band, or community band.. and he plays with a rather exclusive dance band. He explained the mp size significance to me and I was amazed at his range with what he had. He says he just doesn't like smaller numbered mouthpieces.
I ask about the Gezen because it is what's coming from the guy in our community band. He wants a new Yamaha, and is willing to sell for a good price. Our director is our tech.. he's given me a thumbs up if it appears to be what I want.. both of my music teachers have, too..
Decisions, decisions..
next year he had better buy me a nice clar =)
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2001-10-18 03:04
Bob Reevs has mouthpieces specially designed for flugels.
His mouthpiece's backbore taper is smaller than Bach's, and gives different
mouthpiece registances.
http://www.bobreeves.com/
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Author: Mike Harrelson
Date: 2001-10-18 04:53
I think I understand everything said about the mouthpiece except for one thing...
where does the reed go?
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Author: jmcaulay
Date: 2001-10-20 23:36
Mike Harrelson enquires:
>where does the reed go?
Good grief, Mike, under the ligature, of course.
Hope this helps.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-10-22 11:34
My pearl of wisdom about flugel horns that I discovered acccidentally:
A Yamaha flugel horn 'valve guide screw', whatever that is, is an excellent slighlty oversized diameter, slighlty longer screw to use for clarinet thumb rests with a stripped screw thread problem. I've used dozens of them.
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Author: Rozz
Date: 2013-09-15 08:43
It has just come to my attention that Malerne the company use to be a great big manufacture of metal products in the late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds.
in the early ninteen hundreds they were sub contractors for many companies including Buffet but they also produced brass as well as woodwind instruments and when they were over producted they put their names on many themselves.
they have made very good instruments and if you had an Artly or Olds, Selmer, Buffet or so so many others chances are those instruments were made by Malerne.
When companies let say like OLDS they were very good at making Brass instruments but knew nothing about wood instruments so they went to Buffet or Selmer and inturn sub contracted Malerne to makes Keys or even the whole instruments.
Now the story goes that Buffet had this chip on their sholder about Malerne making wood instruments like Clarinets so they had legal papers drawn up to make it perfectly clear that Malerne would not make any Clarinets and Buffet in turn would always keep Malerne on the work line.
Well over the years Malerne learned a lot from making Keys and harware for companies like Buffet and even Leblanc, the war however put a dent into everyones manufacturing but in the thrities or so a line did apear on the market with the name Malerne on them most well known were the Malerne Evette line then the Malerne sudent line these were named the standerd
most to be found at this era were these models but after the ware came the three star Malerne (Ma- Lir- na ) and if you were lucky to find one the four star porfessional model many were A key but some Bb ones were to be found.
I have never seen one myself but They are refered to as the Rolls Royce of the clarinets GOOD LUCK in even finding a picture of one though.
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Author: gwie
Date: 2013-09-15 09:02
Those old instruments can have funky intonation and/or require some work to get them usable. I'd go for a new modern flugel, something easy to sell/trade if it's not exactly their cup of tea:
Yamaha (wide range of offerings)
Courtois (3 and 4 valve models available)
Kanstul or Kanstul-mfg
As far as mouthpieces go, it's kind of a crap shoot...I play the same diameter mouthpiece for both trumpet and flugel (by Mark Curry, size 5), but not everyone works that way. Also, make sure you check which kind of taper the leadpipe has...there are three different ones (standard, Bach, and French).
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Author: GaryH
Date: 2013-09-16 04:51
Since most haven't addressed the question you asked, I'll offer my opinion. The Getzen will work well for a first flugel. You might have a repair tech check out the valves on the horn. If the slides move freely I'd not worry about them. A used 4 valve Getzen flugelhorn in this area would sell in the $400-600 range depending on condition.
If the horn comes with a mouthpiece just go with that for the time being. The player can do a search for a mouthpiece that suits his needs if the provided mouthpiece doesn't float his boat.
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2013-09-16 07:50
Before others start to share their combined and excellent knowledge and advice, it might be worth pointing out the posts will inform future readers, but not likely the original questioner, who put their question to the board in 2001
Chris
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