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Author: sarah
Date: 2001-09-23 19:17
Just out of curiosity, I was wondering exactly what the difference was between the E11 and the R13. (Other than the price.)
sarah
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Author: Filipe T.
Date: 2001-09-23 19:32
I think That the E11 is and intermediate clarinet
and the R13 is profesional (I THINK)
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-09-23 20:45
Poly-cylindrical bore in the R-13. Keywork is LARGER on the R-13. Both feature undercut tone holes. mw
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Author: sarah
Date: 2001-09-23 20:51
Is larger keywork better? I have fairly small hands.
sarah
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Author: Uiop
Date: 2001-09-24 01:38
E11 is a intermediate clarinet-for very advanced students, semi-professionals ect. R13 is a professional clarinet-for professionals. How good do you play?? (like, are you the next peter fountain or is playing the clarinet just a hobby?) If you just like to play and have fun like I do, I would say to get the E11. I just got one, and I absolutely love it. But if you're looking for something a bit more advanced I'd say the R13 would bo the trick.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-09-24 02:08
There are many professionals who play R-13 clarinets with small hands. Fact is, that many kids (who are still growing) do have small hands. For that reason, the Buffet E-11 has keywork to accomodate those smaller hands. There is no comparison between a Buffet R-13 & a Buffet E-11. The R-13 is a professional instrument. mw
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Author: Sara
Date: 2001-09-24 03:35
In my opinon a good E11 can sound better thatn a fairly bad R13, you just have to pick and choose I had an E11 before I got my festival and the keywork change wasn't all that great. Both are wonderful instruments.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2001-09-24 04:05
Uiop,
Buffet does not consider the E11 to be a semi-pro instrument. They classify it as a wooden student model instrument. IMHO, however, it is a good quality instrument, represents good value for the money and is plenty of clarinet for a community band member or even a doubler.
Sara,
Some other differences between the E11 and R13: The E11 is made in Germany at the (former) Schreiber und Sohne factory and,because of German law, recent models have silver plated keys. It has plastic inset tone holes (at least mine does) and does not have pin-and-socket connections on the left hand E/B and F#/C# levers (similar to the B12). The R13 is made at the Buffet factory outside Paris. Silver plated keys cost extra. The R13 receives more individual attention and hand finishing. It has integral tone holes, pin-and-socket connections and is probably made of higher-quality wood. Many clarinetists believe that the E11 is set-up a little on the sharp side to compensate for beginning embouchures. I don't recall seeing confirmation or denial on this point by Buffet but I have noticed that mine tends to be sharp. (It could just be me, however.)
The only keys on the E11 that appear to be smaller to me are the right-hand cluster keys on the lower joint. (Do you observe others, mw?) A quick measurement of the top two (using a ruler) shows them to be about 1/16" smaller than the keys on the R13 I compared them with. The finger spread, rings and other keys appear to be the same size as the R13. I switched back-and-forth using an E11 as a backup for a couple of years without even noticing any difference before I learned, from a post to the Klarinet list by David Blumberg, that the E11's cluster keys were smaller. For someone with large hands, the smaller keys could prove an inconvenience but for normal or smaller hands, it probably doesn't matter one way or another.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-09-24 18:57
Jack, I have never measured. YES, I do recall David B.'s post. Sounds right.
YES, again, the E-11 is definitely SHARP-er. As a player develops they will need to move to a longer barrel. My daughter used to keep an E-11 at school, while she played an R-13 at home & in Youth Symphony. She moved to a Scott 67mm aa2 ploy barrel and still had to pull out. Of course, in her case, the Vandoren 5RV (& other Vandoren) mouthpiece has a tendency to be sharp & that adds further to the problem. In the U.S., I'd allow that many kids are playing E-11's with Vandoren mouthpieces --- it's a popular "rig".
best,
mw
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Author: Mandy
Date: 2001-09-24 19:40
I remember reading about a visit to the Buffet factory and that the E-11 is basically a wooden B-12 and from my own observation and Buffets own info I think that the keywork is basically the same.The E-13 however is very similar to the R-13 and the wood used is aged for the same time period,I have an E-13 and a B-12 as a back up instrument and there is a distinct difference in the proportions of the keys in relation to one another to accommodate the smaller hands of the expected student players of the B-12.I really love my E-13
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Author: Casey
Date: 2001-09-25 22:45
i have an E-11~~~~~And i am getting a R-13!!!!!!!!!!! I agree with everyone.
The E-11 was my clarinet since 6th grade and i am only in 8th grade now, and i am getting a R-13 when i hit high school i hope!
*casey*
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Author: Ted Donaldson
Date: 2001-09-26 10:28
I wish i had an R-13 my third year of playing... oh well my E11 still looks pretty (only 2 years old )
ted
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