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Author: Peter
Date: 2001-09-14 07:15
I've read of 2 ways to tongue...1st, anchoring the tongue tip against the bottom teeth and using the middle of the tongue to touch the reed tip and 2sd, using the tongue tip to touch the reed tip. Which is the proper way and which method would ultimately produce the cleanest staccato ? thank you.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-09-14 10:50
Tip to tip is the fastest and cleanest for the majority of clarinettists and is the recommended method to use.
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2001-09-14 15:30
I think Karl Leister is one of the only pro using anchor tonguing. At least that's what I've heard.
Tip to tip is the most popular and probably the most efficient.
-S
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Author: HAT
Date: 2001-09-14 18:23
Avoid anchor tonguing. Those who use it sucessfully are extremely few and those who use it and have problems are the vast majority.
I have yet to hear for a fact that Karl Leister uses this method. If there is anyone on this forum who knows him personally and has specifically asked him, I would appreciate hearing it directly from you. I would be rather surprised, frankly.
Read the Bonade compendium and follow it faithfully is my advice.
David Hattner, NYC
www.northbranchrecords.com
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Author: Peter
Date: 2001-09-14 20:10
Great, thanks for the advice.
What is the Bonade Compendium and where can I obtain it ???
Is it available as a readable web site ???? I'm sure it has much information which I'll find invaluable . thank you
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Author: HAT
Date: 2001-09-14 20:31
The Bonade "Clarinetist's Compendium" is a paperback published by Leblanc. It is still in print and should be obtainable relatively inexpensively somewhere.
David Hattner, NYC
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-09-15 17:37
David, how would you stop a student from going tip to middle of reed, as opposed to tip to tip. We have tried using some different sounds to raise tongue position. Thanks. mw
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Author: HAT
Date: 2001-09-15 19:43
I think that teaching tonguing is best learned by monitoring the sound produced, as opposed to dissecting the technique involved. Now, if there are severe problems with the articulation sounds that your student is producing, there will have to be basic tecnichal adjustments, but giving the student a goal to achieve in sound will help.
If she is really using the right part of her tongue on the wrong part of the reed (I don't actually touch the tip of the reed, but rather a good 1/8 - 1/4 inch down from it) the best solution is to perhaps start all over. Use the excercises in the Bondae book, sustaining a long held tone broken up by touching the tongue to the reed. In the meantime, this should be her only tonguing assignment for a while. Obviously, she will have to tongue beginnings of notes, etc. but try to limit other things until she gets the motion correct.
She will have to hear proper demonstration of this and other exercises for them to really work. I always end up teaching articulation by demonstrating and having the student copy what they hear. Set the metronome and play 2 bars, which the student repeats back in time. . .then two more bars back and forth, etc. This method works with students who have worked with me.
David Hattner, NYC
www.northbranchrecords.com
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-09-15 20:30
This particular student has puzzled a couple of good teachers. They have gone back to square one. (He) is now only having the problem over the break & the problem is NOT one of support. Chalumeau notes are clean & beautiful. Good breath support, tongue appears to be properly placed. Then he goes to (long) B & it all changes. Well, they will figure something out before long. best, mw
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2001-09-17 16:23
mw:
This probably due to the fact that the student voices differently when tonguing than playing legato.
Most of the time the back of the tongue is moved slightly upwards when going to higher register to speed the air. If the student does not do that when he tongues it will squeak or sound bad. The other thing might be that he moves too much tongue hence the back moves too much altering the sound. This does not really matter in the lower register, but does in higher ones. One last possibility that I see is that the jaw is moving too much.
My advice is to make him think of tonguing not as putting the tongue on the reed but removing the tongue from the reed. Making sure the sound is ready as soon as the tongue relases the reed. Making him focus on the fact that only the front part of the tongue should be moving and the back should be place for sound and voicing (putting the right amount of air speed and pressur on the reed).
I hope this helps,
-Sylvain
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