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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2001-08-28 03:03
Tie is in b/w two alike and adjacent notes. Slur is in b/w two notes that are not necessarily adjacent OR alike.
Long tones written out by measure are tied
Legato chromatic scales are slurred
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Author: Jim
Date: 2001-08-28 04:03
Also... A tie continues an accidental past the bar line.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-08-28 11:22
They are similar in that both mean you do not tongue the notes. However a tie is between notes of the same pitch. Ties are used for cases where there isn't a note type to denote the length such as a half note + eighth note or to hold a note across a bar line. For example holding the last note of one measure plus the first note of the next. There isn't any way to show that except by two separate notes with a tie (unless of course you change the time signature for a couple of bars but that's a whole different area).
The slur is between notes of different pitches. It means to play them on a single breath without tonguing or any other interruption between them.
So you see while they look the same, they do different jobs.
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2001-08-28 16:01
Not to complicate the discussion, but tied notes are occasionally tongued. For instance, if you have two quarter notes of the same pitch tied together in the same measure--something that would make you wonder why the composer didn't write a half note--the second note should be very lightly tongued. This is usually used to create a very legato rhythmic pattern.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-08-28 16:32
Don Poulsen wrote:
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> Not to complicate the discussion, but tied notes are
> occasionally tongued. For instance, if you have two quarter
> notes of the same pitch tied together in the same
> measure--something that would make you wonder why the composer
> didn't write a half note--the second note should be very
> lightly tongued. This is usually used to create a very legato
> rhythmic pattern.
In this case, the composer will usually indicate this by the addition of another mark such as the legato dash mark.
The other instance in which you may see this is vocal music transcribed for the clarinet. The separate notes indicates that in the vocal version, there are different syllables or words on those notes.
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Author: William
Date: 2001-08-28 17:37
Tie: Between notes that are the same name. Often found over bar lines.
Slur: Between notes that are not the same name. Playing to different notes without tonguing, just moving your fingers.
Both are indicated with the same kind of curved lines. Hope this helps a bit--now get back to practicing!!!!!! Good Clarineting!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Author: bob gardner
Date: 2001-08-29 19:13
In a slur
if you have two note of the same name and they are played one after the other do you tounge or do you just extent the time?
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2001-08-29 23:30
That's kind of rare without some sort of articulation signal.
If there are more than just those two notes in the tie, than slightly tongue them.
If there's a staccato or tenuto mark on the first note, slightly tongue them.
If It's "Just there" with no clue, it's a tie.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-08-30 00:41
bob gardner wrote:
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> In a slur
> if you have two note of the same name and they are played one
> after the other do you tounge or do you just extent the
> time?
It depends on the rest of the music and the values of the notes. For example a half note tied to an eighth, you would normally extend the time over both because there is no way to write this with just a single note. Two quarters tied across a bar line, again extend the note as there is no way to write this with a single note. But, for example, two quarters tied within the same measure, it becomes a judgement call. Added articulation markings sometimes clarify that. If there are none, ask yourself whether this is an adaptation of vocal music. If it is, I would lightly tongue it. If it is not, I'd play it whichever way sounded best.
Basically though, the normal way is simple to hold the note through the combined time for both.
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Author: Keil
Date: 2001-08-30 13:53
Allow me throw another curve ball in this musical equation... we mustn't forget about phrase markings... you know, the curved line over a whole group of notes that looks like a slur but for some reason has a slur within it... a slur within a slur almost.... well that is a phrase marking and from what i understand you slur everything until you get to the slur within the slur and lightly tongue the beginning of the slur within a slur (SWS). I think that's more or less correct. Slur, Ties, and SWS are such beautiful devices that can cause such complications.
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