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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-27 12:47
BTW: This doesn't mean this is a bad clarinet, or that clarinets can't be fixed. They can be fixed, and they can work wonderfully afterward.
This clarinet is also not in it's original case (unless Selmer shipped @ one time with Linton cases --- which were used _mainly_ by Buffet, using the "white-stitched" cases for their student instruments). Of course, just because the case isn't original to a clarinet, isn't saying anything either.
Some auctions sellers might hide a thing like cracks, others might rely on photos to disclose it, others till might look to personal inspection & allow a return, while still others might sell as is and be ignorant of things Clarinet.
best,
mw
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-08-27 13:06
I'd say that the pinning is definitely dislosed in the photo. It is a little surprising that there is no sign of the split itself, or of it having been filled.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2001-08-27 13:08
Hmmm...I wonder if the guitar humidifier was in the case before the crack, or added after the crack was fixed pinned...
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-27 14:58
Gordon, I agree with you. As an eBay Seller, I like to point out what should be obvious for a non-lay person, and _disclose_ the obvious for the less knowledgable, or those who are ignorant. That way they can go ASK SOMEBODY what the disclosure means.
I just went and looked for the HUMDIFIER and the Photos have changed?
mw
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-27 14:59
Gordon, I agree with you. As an eBay Seller, I like to point out what should be obvious for a non-lay person, and _disclose_ the obvious for the less knowledgable, or those who are ignorant. That way they can go ASK SOMEBODY what the disclosure means.
mw
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-27 15:01
Gordon, I started this Thread with EDUCATION in mind. Perhaps, you can followup on the THINKING behind your last 2 observations. Thanks. mw
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Author: Bill
Date: 2001-08-27 17:54
Would the crack go through the tone hole associated with the C trill key, and therefore not be visible in the photo?
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2001-08-28 00:47
I couldn't get the pic to come up of the upper joint. Evidently this person doesn't believe in compressing the files. Some tech's don't like "blind pinning". One very good one I know states he wants to know where the pins are in case he has to add another if the crack opens again. I think he makes a valid point, but I prefer to "hide" them as much as possible.
John
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-28 01:23
Sometimes, you can click back & forth on the eBay description & this will allow for photos to LOAD faster/better etc. mw
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2001-08-28 02:37
Please pardon my ignorance as a novice, but I fail to see what is so odd about this clarinet.
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2001-08-28 02:43
Ok, I finally got it to load. Yes, it has been pinned and probably the pin holes were filled with something that did not blend well. Perhpas they used a black shellac stick similar to what Ferree's sells. I normally use wood chips and a cyanacrolayte.
John
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-28 03:53
David Pegel said::
"Please pardon my ignorance as a novice, but I fail to see what is so odd about this clarinet."
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A crack in the Upper Joint was pinned. Because I recognized that some Clarinetists would not spot this, I decided to post the Photo to teach about looking for Clarinets that have been repaired with Pins.
If you study the Photo around the Selmer logo area ... you will see a series of small round off-colored spots. After a Pin is inserted some type of material is used to re-fill the holes which are drilled to insert the pins. After the filler material is place din the tone hole, some type of finish "paint" or lacquer would be applied ina an attempt to return the clarinet to it's original look.
See John's comment above on how he deals with this ... if you still have questions make sure to ask them. If the crack was thruough to the bore you could take a flashlight ot hold the bore up ot the light and at a proper angle SEE the mended crack, at least in some situations you can.
mw
PS The Upper Joint is a LIKELY suspect for these type of repairs.
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-08-29 13:52
mw: My comments were because I thought the (filled) crack should have been visible, in the lighted area on the other side of the logo. I now realise that the crack probably goes through the top side key's tone hole. I am surprised at how close to the tone hole the pins have been inserted, risking a split-out of a chunk of timber from the wall of the tone hole. Perhaps that is why I assumed the other.
If the split does indeed go through a tone hole I think this SHOULD have been disclosed, either by photo or verbally. Splits through tone holes, even if pinned, have a much higher chance of developing leak problems at a later date. after all then pin is several millimetres below the surface where it traverses a split, and therefore does not have a totally stabilizing effect at the surface of the timber where the tone hole edge is.
Regarding "blind" holes. I thought that "blind" normally referred to a hole with an entrance but no exit. This makes no difference to whether pin locations can be later established. Much more care is needed with blind holes because if a pin is screwed too far into one of these it will split body timber out on the 'blind' side. But blind holes, well done, means only half the cosmetic damage. Like you jbutler, I take on the challenge of making the holes invisible, and never completely succeed.
I note that there has been no attempt to match the brown timber colour in the photographed instrument.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-29 18:50
David, I wasn't talking about "FUNNY" as in laughing or gleeful activity; rarther, when I said "FUNNY", I meant funny LOOKING, e.g. abnormal, not usual, unexpected.. How would you characterize them? : ) mw
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2001-08-29 23:34
I was implying that our vision was indeed not going bad, hence "seeing funny spots" Sorry.
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