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Author: Steven
Date: 2001-08-27 06:36
Hello Everyone,
A few months back I purchased a used Buffet R-13. The case says "Evette and Schaeffer Modele Buffet Crampon". I find this odd, that it mentions Evette and Schaeffer. So I must ask, is my clarinet an R-13? And what is the whole deal with these different names?
Thanks, Steven
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Author: Anji
Date: 2001-08-27 13:00
What does the HORN say in the logo?
What is the serial number of the clarinet, itself?
The R13 started in the mid-1950's so check your serial number against the Buffet list under the Sneezy 'Equipment'/'How old is my...?' section.
More importantly, how duzzit play?
anji
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-08-27 13:44
Steven,
That is not an R-13 - none will say Evette and Schaeffer. Buffet distributed Evette and Schaeffer - the E-xx models today are direct descendants of those models.
If you bought it under the assumption it was an R-13 and indeed paid an R-13 price for it then unfortunately you've been misled. While indeed "how does it play?" is a valid question, "what is its resale value now?" is perfectly valid one, too.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-27 15:05
Not an R-13. Evette & Schaeffer is what I would call a higher end Intermediate or Student model. Most of these are every nice & manu feature wood that better than the wood available today.
Mark C. is right --- if you paid a "R-13 price", you didn't receive the goods you bargained for.
mw
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-08-27 15:23
As Anji indicated, you need to look at the markings on the clarinet itself and the serial number.
If the *clarinet* only has the Buffet logo (i.e. no model name on it) and dates after the early/mid-1950s, then it is an R-13.
If there is a model name on the *clarinet* such as Evette & Schaefer, Evette, E-11, etc, then it is not an R-13.
If there is no model name but the serial number puts it before the early or mid 1950s, then it is a professional level Buffet but not an R-13.
Lots of instruments end up in non-original cases. My two best instruments are no longer in the original cases because the cases wore out. So the markings on the case are totally irrelevant. When purchasing instruments, never go by the markings on the case only by those on the instrument itself.
The different names simply indicate different models aimed at different markets such as beginner, intermediate, and professional. Not everyone needs, wants, or can afford a pro level instrument.
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Author: David Kinder
Date: 2001-08-27 15:26
The case means nothing - unless it's the original case. I don't see why someone would want to switch cases with an R-13, but that's no reason to jump in to say that his CLARINET isn't an R-13.
Steven, what does the logo look like on the clarinet? What is the serial number? Is there a model number stamped on it?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-08-27 20:33
I misread the post. If the clarinet says Evette & Schaeffer - then there's a problems. If only the case says Evette and Schaeffer and the clarinet says Buffet then it may be an R-13 as discussed above.
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Author: Sherwood W. Franklin
Date: 2001-08-27 20:36
I have sent complete 1941 Buffet literature to Mark Charette today. It contains the relationship between Evette, Evette and Schaefer and Buffet; where the different models were manufactured, etc. I have asked Mark to post it on the BB for whomever may want to view it.
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Author: Steven
Date: 2001-08-27 20:45
Thank you so much for all the post. Well the case does say Evette and Schaeffer Modele Buffet Crampon. But the actual clarinet has the buffet logo. There is no model number on the clarinet itself, and when searched on the Buffet website, the serial number indicates that the date of manufacturer is 1995.
-Steven
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-27 23:55
I, too, assumed that the case & clarinet (each) bore the E & S logo. mw
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Author: David
Date: 2001-08-29 16:59
I'd like to jump on this "band" wagon, because I have a similar situation with my daughter's clarinet. My daughter is 16 and plays the clarinet in her high school marching and concert band. (They march in Macy's this fall!). She's been playing for five years and has a plastic Bundy for marching. Last year we purchased a used Buffet that her instructor found at a local antique store. This clarinet is marked with Evette & Schaeffer, Paris France (all in an oval). Under that it says Model Buffet Crampon. The serial number is K 29980.
Was hoping you could help me in determining where this one fits into the Buffet line-up and also the approximate value so that we can make a decision on investing more in this one, or purchasing a different one. From the info we have, can you tell us about the age and approximate value of the clarinet? The clarinet is in decent shape and plays well, but the finish on the keys has worn off. (From the info can you tell if this would be a silver finish?) Some work was done to the clarinet before we purchased it (at least some of the pads and cork were replaced). So I believe any additional work we'd need would be more cosmetic - but to a 16 year old girl, that can be pretty important. We paid $200 for the clarinet.
Once we have the more info, we can decide if it makes sense to
invest more in refurbishing this one. Any info or advice would be appreciated. Thanks so much in advance for your help.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-08-30 00:47
David wrote:
>
> .... Was hoping you could help me in determining where this one fits
> into the Buffet line-up and also the approximate value so that
> we can make a decision on investing more in this one, or
> purchasing a different one. From the info we have, can you
> tell us about the age and approximate value of the clarinet?
> The clarinet is in decent shape and plays well, but the finish
> on the keys has worn off. (From the info can you tell if this
> would be a silver finish?) Some work was done to the clarinet
> before we purchased it (at least some of the pads and cork were
> replaced). So I believe any additional work we'd need would be
> more cosmetic - but to a 16 year old girl, that can be pretty
> important. We paid $200 for the clarinet.
>
> Once we have the more info, we can decide if it makes sense to
> invest more in refurbishing this one. Any info or advice would
> be appreciated. Thanks so much in advance for your help.
This was an intermediate horn. To get a "better one," you would have to go with a new or used pro horn. Unless she is going to study music in college, there isn't a real need to get a "better horn." Although if you can afford it, go for it. I would consider this horn worth getting a complete overhaul, including replating the keys. It will look and play like new for substantially less than the cost of a new intermediate horn, used pro horn, or new pro horn. Having the keys replated is not expensive if you do it at the same time as the complete overhaul.
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