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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-11 22:20
I just saw an advertisement for a Zinner mouthpiece. It was in Alphin's catalogue. Has anybody tried one of these? Certainly, I am aware that Zinner Blanks are preferred by some of the world's best mouthpiece purveyors. At the same time, they purveyors use different models within the Zinner line.
However, I have never heard of anybody playing a mouthpiece purchased directly from Zinner in Germany, or through a distributor.
[[ They do sell sell a French mouthpiece ]].
http://www.hans-zinner.de/Produkte/Hans_Zinner_English/Products/French_System/french_system.html
Best,
mw
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Author: David Pegel
Date: 2001-08-11 22:51
They LOOK like good playing, but looks can be deceiving.
Nonetheless, I am also interested. How much of a difference would it make if the mouthpeice came directly from Germany? Unless Zinner had Alberts in mind for these?
I leave this to the more qualified to judge for certain.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-12 00:32
David, if you are interested please visit the website. Your questions are covered. See the various styles offered. mw
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Author: Gregory Smith
Date: 2001-08-12 02:04
All of Zinners stock (not blank) mouthpieces are machine faced just like other manufacturers.
G. Smith
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-12 02:35
Was there ever a time when thre mouthpieces were held in high regard, such as the old Vandoren or Selmer ? Thanks. mw
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2001-08-12 03:37
I have a copy of the patent to Zinner and Hall , it can be seen on www.uspto.gov . I suggest using " Zinner AND mouthpiece" [ or clarinet] for search. I'll post the # tomorrow. It gives some dimensions as I recall. Don
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Author: Werner Kraft
Date: 2001-08-12 10:48
The Zinner stock mouthpieces were and are held in high regard in Germany.
Some professionals are playing them out of the box
and don't care for H.Wurlitzer or H.Viotto mouthpieces.
This is their (and my) very personal decision of course,
and doesn't help you at all.
I think what I would like to tell you is:
A Zinner mouthpiece should always be worth a try.
Werner
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-08-12 14:54
Werner said:
"This is their (and my) very personal decision of course, and doesn't help you at all. I think what I would like to tell you is: A Zinner mouthpiece should always be worth a try."
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I have played on Zinner blanks for years. First on Borbeck mouthpieces, and now on Greg Smith mouthpieces. I am aware that what works for one, may not work for another. Hiowever, this is the first that I have heard of Zinner mouthpieces for sale in the U.S. Our catalogues in listings do _not_ list them. Alphin's catalogue is a first for that. This may have to do with Zinner representation in the U.S. through a _sole_ importer (IMS). Thank you. for the feedback. mw
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2001-08-12 18:14
I viewed the Hall-Zinner patent US 5,105,701 [1992] on a uspto.gov search via Zinner and clarinet using the "Quick Search" . It is quite informative in description of the art [Wells cited, have one!] and methods of mp lay measurement, well worth reading carefully. Luck, Don
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Author: Wes
Date: 2001-08-12 19:25
Having purchased a number of Zinner blanks and faced them, I have come to the following opinion:
They have a very good dark sound, probably because of the material used.
The pitch seems a little low for the Bb blanks and a little high for the Eb blanks. To raise the pitch, I've shortened a couple of them.
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Author: Forest Aten
Date: 2001-08-14 00:38
The "material used"...gives "a very good dark sound".
Please explain how this works?
F. Aten
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2001-08-14 14:32
I clicked to their website and saw that Zinner is producing a new metal clarinet. I wonder what it's like. I'm kinda surprised anyone is interested in doing one--but had one at one time that had a fantastic tone. I guess it would be nice if there were new ones available. I don't know about the American market--however--because I think greenline is going to catch on.
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Author: Anji
Date: 2001-08-14 15:11
Are the metal horns not susceptible to poor tuning, particularly in cold spaces?
Perhaps for Klezmer there is a cachet to these, but unless there is an airspace between two side walls (like the Haynes or expensive Selmer models), won't the horn tend to go flat when hot, sharp when cold?
anji
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2001-08-14 15:18
Perhaps sending them an email is in order to ask about their construction on this item. Yes, tuning could be a problem. Also, the mouthpiece needs to be matched to the instrument for best results. I always had a hard time with my metal clarinet and mouthpieces--they never fit.
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Author: Wes
Date: 2001-08-15 03:21
Hi Forest!
The discussions on material could go on and on but, to me, different materials seem to play differently. For example, the Ebolin material used by Brilhart seems to have an interesting bright sound that is sometimes preferred by very good players. The Zinner material seems to produce a sound that is not like others. On tenor saxophone, the metal mouthpieces clearly do different sounds than the rubber ones.
Some famous acousticians do not agree with this, but I don't know if they are or were actively playing and seriously evaluating mouthpieces. The late John Backus, a physics professor at USC and a bassoonist did experiments that, to him, proved that materials had little effect on sound. Mr. Murray, a well known flutist and flute designer, also told me that materials had little effect for flutes. Paul Laubin, who makes fine oboes, says that Honduras rosewood sounds the best for oboes. The best material I think for mouthpieces is hard rubber, of which Zinner produces one kind. It's an interesting subject and good luck!
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2001-08-15 14:35
Greg Smith uses the Zinner blanks and gets a great end result. His wooden mouthpieces are Zinners and I can't say enough good things about my new grenadilla wood mouthpiece. It's rapidly becoming my favorite one--even over my genuine Kaspar!
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