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Author: LPPB
Date: 2013-03-23 22:14
I'm a decent clarinet player, and I'm looking for a new mouthpiece that gives me a clean sound and good projection, while staying in tune. I'm considering the M30 Lyre, but I don't know if I should chose profile 88 or not, since I don't know its benefits. Can some1 advise me?
Thanks in advance.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-03-23 23:13
The beak is thinner (shallower angle) on the Profile 88 compared to a regular Vandoren, but that's the only difference. It's a case of comfort - you have to try it out to see if it's more comfortable to play compared to the standard beak which has a steeper angle and is therefore much thicker.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: LPPB
Date: 2013-03-23 23:30
But in your experience, which one gives the best sound and projection?
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2013-03-23 23:44
As Chris alluded they are identical in sound, the only difference is that the 88 feature less material, so you wind up having your mouth slightly less open for it.
Personally I prefer the standard beak because I sense that I have more in my mouth to control. This, again as Chris stated, is a personal preference.
...................Paul Aviles
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-03-23 23:56
If you prefer to hold the clarinet outwards to project the sound outwards instead of downwards, then the Profile 88 will be more comfortable in this respect. I prefer the Profile 88 for the thinner beak and for this reason when playing clarinet in big band settings.
But I play A1 crystals now which have the standard beak which does feel thicker - the height and position (proximity) of the music stand dictates the angle I can play at, especially in a confined setting. I think it may be time I had my eyes tested.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2013-03-23 23:57)
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2013-03-24 15:57
I've played on a profile 88 for several years. Recently, when playing a different mouthpiece, I noticed their larger size.
I have two Vandoren M30 mouthpieces. One is "normal," and the other has the "88" profile. They sound alike.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2013-03-24 16:03
The Profile 88 is called that as it was introduced by Vandoren in 1988. I bought my first Profile 88 B46 when they first came on sale in the UK back then and still use it on occasion - it suffered an accident when the entire tip smashed when it landed on a concrete floor at high velocity (it flew out of the barrel when I shook it to remove excess condensation) but I superglued it all back together and tidied it up so it still plays.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-03-26 12:42
I think I sound best when I have a large amount of space open in my mouth. I played a "duck-bill" Morgan for a couple of years until I heard a recording of the quintet I was in, and I thought my sound lacked color. When I went back to a standard shape, I definitely had more color and "ping" in the sound.
For the same reason, I play double lip, which drops my jaw a enough to improve the tone.
This is what works for me, and your results may vary.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Rickwbliss
Date: 2013-03-31 17:13
Well I have a vandoren 5jb with profile 88 cause I liked it better, but it depends on you, and how you play.
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2024-09-17 14:35
I would like to know If you get the same impression as me. While both traditional and profile 88 have same specs on a model, traditional gives me a feeling that the mouthpiece has more open tip while on profile 88 that It's more closed tip, though they're virtually the same specs let's say a 5RV Lyre profile 88 and a traditional one.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2024-09-17 23:06
Jimis4klar wrote:
> I would like to know If you get the same impression as me.
> While both traditional and profile 88 have same specs on a
> model, traditional gives me a feeling that the mouthpiece has
> more open tip while on profile 88 that It's more closed tip,
> though they're virtually the same specs let's say a 5RV Lyre
> profile 88 and a traditional one.
I don't want to go back through all the posts above to see if it has already been said (it's a very old thread), but a traditional 5RV Lyre and a Profile 88 5RV Lyre *are* the same mouthpiece except for the beak shape. What you feel is the difference between the rounder beak of a Traditional and the way your mouth forms around it. That's legitimate - and the reason why both models exist.
Karl
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