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Author: Matt
Date: 2002-07-11 16:12
WHo has used these?
What do you see as the advantages/disadvantages of the Profile 88 MPC?
Is the 440pitch Series 13 MPCs really that much different in tuning?
Thanks,
Matt
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Author: LaLa
Date: 2002-07-11 20:02
I used to play exclusively on the profile 88 M13 and M14 (which is no longer manufactured) My tone was beautiful on the M13 and just got better when i switched to the M14. Now i play on a Greg Smith 1* and love it! wouldn't trade it for the world! I don't think there are any advantages or disadvantages depending upon what your concept of good tone is.
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Author: Massa
Date: 2002-07-11 21:20
<<< profile 88 >>>
+ I found them easy to hold because of their exterior shape.
- They, sometimes, cost more than the traditional Vandorens.
- Some say, pro-88 has inferior sound quality to the traditional shapes.
<<< series 13 >>>
+ They really lower the pitch about 2 cents. This is beneficial
for some players, even you are playing for A=442 setting because
many clarinets tend to play # anyway.
+ Produces "darker tone," according to Vandoren.
- Again, pricy.
+/- They come in the pro-88 angle beak.
I use both B40(pro88) and B40-13.
B40-13 has wider opening window than B40(pro88). I feel B40-13
has more free blowing feeling when I use Vandoren V.12 (3 1/2).
Don't find any significant tone quality diferences.
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Author: James
Date: 2002-07-12 23:23
It's just like anything with clarinet's. You make something lower, like adding length to a barrel or a lower pitched mouthpiece. The sound is darker and nicer. Personally I like the 13 series. The M15 13 is absolutely an awesome mouthpiece.
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Author: Matt
Date: 2002-07-19 18:53
Thanks for the input. I purchased a very nice M15 Profile 88 Series 13 from my teacher and thus far like it far better than the B45. It seems to me that it has a fuller tone, although time will tell if that's true or not.
Matt
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2024-07-17 02:40
In your opinion, can the response of 13 series be as immediate as a profile 88 model? Speaking about M15s, I got a very responsive profile 88 which tried between two and an ok response 13 series one, also tried between two. I plan to try more 13 series and get one more maybe. I love their sound, just the response seems to be not as immediate as profile 88 I think..
Post Edited (2024-07-17 02:42)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2024-07-18 15:22
Profile 88 is a thinner beak with a shallower angle, so that will feel more comfortable if that's what you prefer. It's just the beak shape that's different and the facings, bore and tonechambers are still the same as regular Vandoren mouthpieces..
"13" Series is a flat-playing mouthpiece designed to play at 440Hz designed for the American market, so won't help anyone if they already play flat. Using a shorter barrel will help to a degree or if you want to do something more drastic, shorten the end of the mouthpiece tenon and the shoulder by 2mm. The mouthpiece bore and chamber are different compared to regular Vandoren mouthpieces to effect that pitch stability but the facings (tip opening and lay) are the same as non "13" Series with the same facings.
Both Profile 88 and "13" series are separate things and most of Vandoren's mouthpieces are available with either feature individually or both features combined.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2024-07-18 16:23)
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Author: donald
Date: 2024-07-19 08:39
The "Traditional" beak design also works well for people who prefer a shorter lay (facing "length") and so need less of the reed in their mouth. The Profile 88 tends to work well for players who like longer facings, and want more of the reed/mouthpiece in their mouth. This is NOT a "set rule", but a vague trend I've noticed over the years.
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Author: m1964
Date: 2024-07-19 22:41
donald wrote:
> The "Traditional" beak design also works well for people who
> prefer a shorter lay (facing "length") and so need less of the
> reed in their mouth. The Profile 88 tends to work well for
> players who like longer facings, and want more of the
> reed/mouthpiece in their mouth. This is NOT a "set rule", but a
> vague trend I've noticed over the years.
Makes good sense to me.
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