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Author: Mombie0514
Date: 2024-06-01 04:59
In my search for stock instruments for my concert band, I came across a strange (to me) option: a wood clarinet with the mark Clemente and Cie. Serial number 51032. Anyone have information on its history?
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2024-06-01 06:29
Forgive me, but I'm confused. Your message title includes Crampon and Cie. Your post asks about Clemente and Cie. Which are you asking about?
Karl
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-06-01 10:12
Karl, it must be Crampon and Cie.
What I find interesting is: Where did the OP get the name Clemente in the first place?
Edited to remove incorrect Internet search results.
Post Edited (2024-06-02 09:02)
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Author: Mombie0514
Date: 2024-06-02 06:43
Hi sorry- autocorrect is always the bane of my existence. The stamp on the bell shows Clemente and Cie with three stars. My post title is is trying to find some history- that's the only possible connection I have found.
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-06-02 09:00
Concerning the Clemente Cie *** clarinet, all of my Internet searches gave me zero results.
I just sent an email to Brad Behn. Hopefully he can shed some light on this mystery clarinet.
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-06-02 10:06
I removed the article on the name Clemente due to no authenticated footnote verification.
There simply wasn't anything noted to officially back up the article.
Post Edited (2024-06-02 18:30)
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2024-06-02 12:33
Crampon & Cie is a trademark of the Buffet company, for what it's worth to your search. But I don't know anything about Clemente & Cie (the "& Cie" is "and company" in French).
Karl
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-06-03 06:07
Mombie0514,
Is it possible for you to post at least 4-6 close up pictures of the keys and bell of your clarinet?
From what I have learned, you have a stencil clarinet. This type of clarinet is simply a rebranded instrument sometimes labeled or imprinted with a different name in order to fill a specific order like clarinets for a military band.
To my understanding, your clarinet is most likely exactly like the manufacturer's original instrument with the proper labeling or imprinting on it and the design of the keys would be the same.
I believe there is a good chance someone on this BB will recognize the design of the keys and come forth with the most likely manufacturer and date period of production.
The more close up pictures that everyone can see, the greater the chance of it being identified.
So far, the name "Clemente" is still a mystery.
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-06-04 22:30
After receiving no responses to the pictures I posted above, I decided late last night to email them to Brad Behn.
A short while ago, I read his response to my email request. All I can say is that I am absolutely amazed at his knowledge of historical keywork design. Brad was able to place a narrow time frame to 3 very specific, small sections of certain keys and which manufacturer was known for crafting those small segments of keywork.
I did not ask for permission to reveal his findings because I felt that he worked hard to gain that knowledge and therefore it would be inappropriate for me to do so.
My thanks go out to those who looked at the pictures and tried to figure out who the most likely manufacturer was.
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Author: lydian
Date: 2024-06-04 23:49
Totally understand. Can you at least confirm if it was a stencil from another manufacturer? I don't care to know which one, just whether Clemente is a real company that made it, or if some other company made it for them.
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Author: Dan Shusta
Date: 2024-06-05 01:27
lydian,
Can I at least confirm if it was a stencil from another manufacturer? You ask what seems like a rather simple question, however, at this moment, it's proving difficult for me to come up with a solid, affirmative answer.
I have spent hours researching Clemente and trying to tie it with "& Cie". First of all, Clemente is a very popular Italian surname and "kdk" was correct when he stated that "& Cie" was French for "and company".
So, again, from my Internet searching, all of my "absent" results seemed to clearly indicate to me that Clemente never was a separate clarinet manufacturing entity even though they do make some minor musical items (MO). That being stated, all indications point in the direction that the "Clemente & Cie" clarinet strongly appears to be a stencil clarinet made by a major clarinet manufacturing company.
I did another Internet search this morning just using the term "clarinet with serial number 51032" and came up with a clarinet company's listing of serial numbers and dates of manufacture. The information I retrieved from it, IMHO, completely verified what Brad Behn had written to me.
Now, I feel more comfortable in stating the following: The clarinet imprinted with "Clemente & Cie" is a stencil clarinet made by a major clarinet manufacturing company.
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