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Author: William Fuller
Date: 1999-05-07 22:02
What is the consensus of all you professional clarinetists out there regarding the playing charateristics of the "new" LeBlancs as compared to the old R-13s (or the newer Buffett lines)?????? Which "sound" do you prefer?
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Author: Evan
Date: 1999-05-09 05:39
as far as sound, buffet has a characteristic sound that we are all used to hearing. Consequently, we all want to sound like we were playing a buffet. This is not good, it limits our ability to grow musicaly and induvidualy. The Leblanc horns have a great sound, I personally like it better than buffet, it is much, much more flexible than the buffets. The fact that you never see a buffet in jazz means something to me, not like when you see eddie daniels playing a concerto with arturo sanduvol.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 1999-05-09 19:23
Evan wrote:
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The fact that you never see a buffet in jazz means something to me, not like when you see eddie daniels playing a concerto with arturo sanduvol.
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Hmm,
Saw a good number of Buffets last time I was in New Orleans (along with a fail number of Albert system clarinets :^)
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Author: Daniel
Date: 1999-05-10 02:57
Evan wrote:
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I personally like it better than buffet, it is much, much more flexible than the buffets. The fact that you never see a buffet in jazz means something to me, not like when you see eddie daniels playing a concerto with arturo sanduvol.
Don Byron, comparable to Eddie plays Buffet exclusively. Eddie has a beautiful sound. But it's not what i think of when i think jazz. When i think of jazz clarinet i think Benny, Woody, Al, Buddy, and for Dixieland, Pete. Plus, i've never seen Eddie do a concert without a mic setup; which kinda leads one to believe he doesn't have much projection. Though he seems to change mouthpieces alot so it could be that he looks more for the rich smooth sound than projection.
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Author: Evan
Date: 1999-05-10 03:40
When you think of jazz, you think of benny or pete fountain. Pete uses a Leblanc horn(it is even named after him), he has the one of the jazziest sounds of anybody within the last 20 years. I am suprised to see how many jazz clarinet players I see at clubs and such with pete;s gold plated leblanc.
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Author: Daniel
Date: 1999-05-10 15:19
Actually, i don't really care for Pete's sound. It's too "honky". Especially in the low register. I just like his playing and Dixieland in general. A friend of mine has one of his old clarinets that he used to use himself. Dixieland and Jazz sounds vary quite a bit actually. Wouldn't wanna sound like Pete while playing a Goodman or Miller or Dorsey chart. But likewise, wouldn't wanna sound like Eddie playing Dixieland.
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Author: steve
Date: 1999-05-11 16:51
here's a thought...there is no buffet sound, no leblanc sound, no selmer sound, no wurlitzer sound nor a sound created by brannen or moenning....there _is_ a larry combs sound, an eddie daniels sound, a bob marcellus sound, a karl leister sound....many many years ago, I heard clarinettist-saxophonist Vince Abato play at a selmer clinic....he played the 1re rhapsodie on a plastic bundy clarinet and mouthpiece and sounded wonderful...like vince abato...
equipment is for stock car racers...:)
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Author: Todd
Date: 1999-05-12 05:26
I thought Pete plays Leblanc with different bore size than the Opus/Concerto series.
I bought a Concerto A clarinet recently. I have a Bb R-13. I liked the way the Concerto played for me better than my R-13, and actually prefer playing the Concerto now over the Buffet, but that's my opinion. I've read that you should have the same brand of clarinet in both Bb and A. The Buffet and Leblanc do play differently. The Leblanc seems more effortless to me.
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Author: Dee
Date: 1999-05-12 12:01
Todd wrote:
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I thought Pete plays Leblanc with different bore size than the Opus/Concerto series.
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I don't know what he actually plays but Leblanc's Pete Fontain model has a bore of 0.590" versus the Opus/Concerto bore of 0.575"
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Author: William Fuller
Date: 1999-05-14 00:05
Thank you, all, for your responses. I purchased my Concerto A first, and used it for a while with my R-13. They worked well as a set, but I needed to have the same "keyboard feel" on both of my horns....so i purchased a concerto Bb. Tom R. worked on them for intonation and reponse and they are a great set and I currently use them exlusively for band and symphony work. I have a gold-plated R-13 that I still use for jazz (it matches my Selmer saxes), but I use the same mp and reeds for all my horns. My daughter (also a clarinetist) tells me that my Concertos sound "woodier" than the Buffetts. I feel that I can get more "sound" out of the Buffetts, but the Concertos are easier to control. The Concerto A IS DEFFINATELY SUPERIOR to the Buffett A in eveness of scale, tuning and projection but I still like how my R-13 Bb plays. I think that inspite of all the typically Buffett "problems," I can get more performance out of it as compared to the rather restricted "feel" of the Concerto Bb. Just wondering if anuyone else has any similar concerns.
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Author: Don L.
Date: 1999-05-16 18:10
As many of you know, the position of the register hole is
a trade off for either a fuzzy Bb or better 12ths in the
altissimo range. I believe leblanc and buffet differ in
this respect with Buffet selecting a better Bb and wider
12ths on high while leblanc took the other option. So,
here is a buyer's choice depending on your priorities. I do
however feel buffet's popularity was initiated by Robert
Carre's inovation of the reverse tapered upper joint in 1950
while leblanc didn't follow suit until much later. Further,
Many buffets are afield simply because when a buying decision is made it's based on what the guy next to me is
playing.
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Author: Mike Canady
Date: 1999-05-18 06:44
I like both brands very much and they are both excellent. It has been my experience that the Leblanc's have a more even scale and a different, easier playing feel to them but I have seen some really severe quality control problems as well. Tom Ridenour who helped design the Leblanc's is now praising Selmer's new instrument the Signature which is also a great horn. The bottom line is there are a lot of really good choices and it is sort of up to the individual, there is still some of the stigma of it's not a Buffet if its not but that is decreasing with time as the Leblanc and Selmer are both becoming more accepted for legit playing. For Jazz its strictly personal choice.
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