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Author: MarkS
Date: 2023-10-24 14:27
Went to Philadelphia for the weekend to hear a great concert by Ricardo Morales. Program included clarinet trios by Beethoven, Brahms, Bruch (Eight Pieces) and Husa (from 1951). The other musicians were also outstanding. The livestream is available through October 25 from the Philadelphia Chamber Music Society with donations of any amount requested (but not required). Here is the link:
https://www.pcmsconcerts.org/concerts/livestreams/
Mark
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2023-10-25 06:56
Some really lovely and subtle playing from all four performers!
I hate to get "geary" in the presence of such fine playing .....BUT........it's great to see a REAL low E/F correction key available on a horn. This is an offered manufacturer's option on the Uebel Zenith. Kudos!!!!
................Paul Aviles
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Author: donald
Date: 2023-10-25 12:47
By "real" do you mean one that is automatic (rather than thumb operated) and hooked up to the register key? I always thought that the Selmer design they used on the Recital (available as an "extra") was pretty awesome, but of course only for "F/C" and not helping the E/B 12th.
I've never been comfortable with thumb key operated E/F correction, I even played one for a month a while back to see if I'd get used to it but.... no....
I actually think the Buffet extra key isn't a bad idea (and can be tweaked so it also helps E) but I've never been very happy with the Buffet vent placement/size .
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2023-10-25 13:59
By actually I mean that the vent is on the bell where it acoustically works. Still, the tone hole should be the same size as the last four on the bottom joint. But I'll take it
Now that you mention it, I didn't get enough info off the Uebel website on first look to know if it is the thumb trigger.......but it really needs to be. You can't have a pitch correction for just the chalumeau without involving the register key and that would be really really logy. I got used the thumb trigger on Wurlitzer's 100c horns. Trust me, if the alternative is a super flat low E, you get used to the thumb trigger pretty fast!
On Boehm, the speed of the keying is the reason we don't have one, but clearly it can be an advantage in such situations where blending with strings at this level is so important. I guess it just depends which side of equation you want an advantage......thus it's optional.
..............Paul Aviles
Post Edited (2023-10-25 14:39)
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Author: donald
Date: 2023-10-25 16:50
The Selmer key (linked to the register key) is not at all "logy" if set up properly. Mr Carbonare has used one for the last 30 years, for example, and has technique to burn.
The main downside with it is that the mechanism can get damaged/bent slightly as there are long rods from the register key to the bottom of the lower joint. The answer to this is taking care of your instrument, but I did hear of a clarinet with this being "knocked" when on a stand, and the key being bent just enough to bind up. A rare problem but worth considering.
Of course the vent for E needs to be on the bell. I've never seen a vent for E that was on the body, but the F vent is fine near the tenon of the lower joint.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2023-10-25 23:40
Backun Lumierem MoBa and CG clarinet all have the automatic low F vent. Absolute game changer now so no one should be having to put up with flat low Fs.
Peter Cigleris
Post Edited (2023-10-25 23:41)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2023-11-06 05:27
But doesn't that make the Low E sound even flatter?
It needs to be on the bell!
................Paul Aviles
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