 The Clarinet BBoard
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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2023-09-20 14:53
Well!....I guess that this is a muse on things I'd like to see.
Firstly... I would love to have been able to find some diagrams of clarinet, in which every detail of its anatomy are labeled. Secondly I would love for such diagrams to be readily accessed up in the BBoard menu for quick reference.
Difficulties arising from terminology issues are a regular stumbling block on this forum, and that's no wonder given that even if one wants to use the correct name for something one can't often find it .
Members such as Chris P seemingly know all the correct terminology, but in using it, he then frequently has to go on to describe it for the OP to understand what he's talking about. I would love to see such labeled diagrams by Chris P. I expect it would offer a rich biodiversity of terminology, although I expect the term " Horn" will meet with complete extinction.( Well!..it's either that or Chris's teeth getting ground flat). All in all, nomenclature deficiencies tend to lead to a good deal of confused discussion, that initially goes in circles before eventually the relevant issue can be nailed down and properly addressed.
Probably most clarinet players learn the nomenclature ralating to their instrument on a " need to know" basis. Hence if you haven't had a problem with that particular "thing" before, then you've likely never needed a name for it....but having the right terminology is such a big help here on the BBoard where largly all we have to work with are words.
Hence I see easy access, diagrammatic guides to clarinet nomenclature on the forum, as offering a great aid , both before posing a question and then in the matter of understanding the responses.
Like I said at the beginning.... Just things I'd like to see .
Julian Griffiths
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Author: lydian
Date: 2023-09-20 21:08
... which reminds me. How do I fix a loose Bb thingamajig?
But seriously. This board is running on a platform that's at least 20 years old. A nomenclature guide is a big ask when there are so many other basic things missing. I mean, you can only quote the last post in a thread, can't search users, can't attach any media other than pics, can't like posts, ignore users, use hashtags, report posts to a moderator, send private messages, change fonts, use lists, filter new posts, the list goes on and on. Heck, the domain name is still "test", and the format only fits a 640x480 screen. It's pretty sad for the 21st century.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2023-09-20 22:58
You're welcome to build a new one as long as you carry all the data from the old to the new. I don't mean that in a negative way - more than once people have offered to take the data and modernize it (but not monetize it via a paywall or anything like that - the Google ads I have are bad enough but they bring in enough money to keep everything afloat), but all have given up. It's a pretty straightforward layout, too.
I find all the other stuff (hashtags, personalization, chats, etc. - and chats is probably the worst idea for essentially an unmoderated system!) to be fluff that gets in the way of sharing "information", but YMMV. I still have people asking me if I'll ever put the old email system, "Klarinet", back online.
Post Edited (2023-09-20 23:00)
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2023-09-20 23:06
Julian ibiza wrote:
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> Well!....I guess that this is a muse on things I'd like to see.
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Wait, wait - I'm quoting the "first" post in the thread ...
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2023-09-21 00:34
I don't think it's the bboard's lack of features that will bring an end to the bboard....
It will be the fact that in one short week, we've managed to run off a very thoughtful historian (who sought to share the fruits of his painstaking labor with us for free - and who is also a professional clarinetist), and we've also decided to attack/complain about the very platform which has provided us so much FREE information and entertainment over the decades.
The platform might show its age in areas, but I think the bboard's most dire problem at present is less technical in nature, and more biological.
Fuzzy
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Author: nellsonic
Date: 2023-09-21 00:53
lydian wrote:
> I mean, you can
> only quote the last post in a thread
Actually, if you switch to threaded view (link at bottom of the thread)you CAN do this. (It's how I'm doing it now). Someone had to point that out to me as well. It makes a small but important difference to me in the functionality of this place.
Anders
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2023-09-21 01:04
There's always the "quote" tag too.
Quote:
Wait, wait - I'm quoting the "first" post in the thread ...
Fuzzy
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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2023-09-21 09:53
This topic was not intended as a dumping ground for people's grievances with the forum, nor was I implying any criticism of the forum when I wrote what I wrote . The topic title was "Clarinet nomenclature " not "Let's bicker and gripe".
Julian Griffiths
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Author: lydian
Date: 2023-09-21 22:09
I get it. If you don't like it, build your own. I don't blame you. But surely you understand that this ancient platform is not the best way to grow and keep a user base.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2023-09-21 23:19
We haven’t mentioned that there are different names for things in different countries. In England they call a truck a lorry and the trunk is a boot. Don’t even ask what a cookie is.
………..Paul Aviles
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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2023-09-22 00:22
Hi Paul,
I don't believe that anybody has mentioned ANYTHING relating to the topic untill now ....so thank you.
I realize that there are differences in terminology between American and English- English, but I think that they both could be accommodated pretty easily.
Hi Lydian,
When you say " I get it", I have absolutely no idea what it is that you got. Perhaps you should post your own topic to discuss whatever it is that you're talking about, rather than immediately dismissing mine out of hand to jump on your own bandwagon.
And incidentally, I agree with what Fuzzy said. .....
Thank you Fuzzy
Julian Griffiths
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-22 01:52
I found it really helpful when I got to grips with the A4, A5, A6 type nomenclature.
Once I was able to distinguish between the same notes in different octaves it was much easier to refer to the right key on the clarinet.
I get the number by clicking on the right note on this website:
https://www.8notes.com/clarinet/fingering/default.asp?notename=db4
I know what you mean though. When people say "Ab/Eb key" I have to scramble in my head a bit, and I feel like I'm doing a special clarinetist's dementia test.
Once we get into C7 I'm lost.
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2023-09-22 02:08
Julian,
I like your idea. There is a "keepers" section to the bboard. Perhaps it could find it's way there (once relatively "complete")? (Mark or Karl would need to answer the issue of "keepers" and whether something like this would be worthy.)
Unfortunately, I'd be one of the users, and wouldn't be much help on the creator's side of such an endeavor.
I know the bboard's fingering charts have been very helpful to me over the years - a great resource (as has access to the old Klarinet mailing list!)
Fuzzy
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Author: moma4faith
Date: 2023-09-22 02:36
Julian, in response to your original post, yes, I would also love to see some diagrams where all the nooks and crannies are labeled. I know quite a few names of the clarinet parts, but there is always more to learn. I love the clarinet bb board and check on her often. I'm way more of a reader than a poster, but I always find interesting, helpful, and thought provoking information on here.
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2023-09-22 03:02
Lydian,
I understand your viewpoint, and might agree with it to a degree. (It would be nice if the site was perhaps had a little more CSS involved, so that a simple update to the CSS file fixed things for responsive design...mobile-first and what-not.) But industry-wide, that's not how things were done back then.
Where I find disagreement with your statement, is due to my experience with the following example:
DJML
The Dixieland Jazz Mailing List was a great old listserv group. It was really antiquated by the time I discovered it. I found out about it two short years before it was killed off by someone pirating the group and moving it to Facebook...where it now lives as a grotesque shadow of itself - only barely hinting as to what it had once been.
Nothing wrong with the group - it just isn't the same product, feel, or membership. In other words: its might be a great group, but it lacks so much of what made the real DJML so important to me.
I sure miss the DJML and would hate to see the bboard meet a similar fate.
Mark is humble and gracious in his offerings to us all, but my personal experience makes me believe that as features are added, it can/will change the product in an unexpected way, foundationally. I think it would be quite difficult to keep what is special about the bboard, while at the same time adding the "normal" features of the modern experience. As you add the features, it loses individuality, and becomes just another of many.
Though a responsive design would be nice! Hahaha!
I'm sorry that our last few threads found us on opposite sides, as I do really enjoy your contributions to the bboard! Here's to the next one!!
Warmest Regards,
Fuzzy
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P.S.
I don't want to junk up Julian's post further, but I'd be interested in this topic as a thread if you choose!
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Author: lydian
Date: 2023-09-22 07:43
@Fuzzy,
I totally understand your counter example. I've felt the same through many such "upgrades" over the years.
No worries at all on being on opposite sides of a lot of topics. I'm used to it. I speak my mind no matter how unpopular my view may be.
I do appreciate Mark's efforts and understand the predicament.
Apologies for derailing the thread before it even got started.
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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2023-09-22 14:11
Many thanks to all for that last group of thoughts and links.
Lydian.
I realize that by both beginning and ending my initial post with the words. " things I'd like to see." ,that I was rather inviting your interpretation and reply, so I would like to offer you MY apologies in turn for that. In general I very much appreciate what you have to bring to the forum.
To perhaps reiterate more clearly my thoughts on " Clarinet nomenclature", having spent years working on sailing vessels and later with car mechanics, I've become used to knowing all the terminology specific to these fields and found it to be such a basic part of operating within them.On sailing vessels knowing the nomenclature can boil down to a matter of life and death, but with things like mechanics and clarinets it's just REALLY handy.
If I could find what I'm after on Internet, then I probably wouldn't be making a point of it here on the forum. But things being as they are, it seems to me that we have a specialized forum in which it is naturally required to speak the " language" of clarinets....but without common access to all the related vocabulary.
This has at times been a problem to me on the forum and I've seen it creating problems for others. It's something very basic I think and I just wondered if the solution might not actually be pretty simple. I'm not a big fan of people who offer ideas that fall to others to execute......hence I simply offer this one as " something I would like to see."......Ho-hum!
I'm just curious as to other people's views on this matter.
Julian Griffiths
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2023-09-22 14:34
The "exploded" diagram linked above is rather good. I would only say that what I have commonly referred to as "sliver keys" (left hand, right hand) are called "auxiliary keys" here.
I vote for this diagram!
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2023-09-22 16:00
Yes indeed !
Those are the most detailed diagrams I have yet see.
Thank you so much for that Jen!.....you are indeed a star.
Can you find one for the bass ?....Ha-ha!
Julian Griffiths
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-22 17:51
I'm glad that helped.
Would this do it for bass?
https://www.wbworkshop.com/bassclarinetparts.htm
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-22 18:30
Btw, I think the BBoard is really quite a nice place to hang out and the fights are so gentle, really. I like the technology it's all run on too.
If you want to see proper argy bargy, then https://www.mumsnet.com/ is worth a visit. The gloves really come off there.
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Author: Julian ibiza
Date: 2023-09-22 19:35
Thanks again Jen,
I too found that exploded diagram and appart from a couple of extra bells and whistles on the low C, it's really very good, so I guess I should retract my grumbles about such diagrams being impossible to find.
( Now I'll have to find something new to grumble about...... Becoming an old bastard is such hard work.<Sigh!>).
Julian Griffiths
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-09-22 19:45
Hi Julian,
I just sent you a question offlist about wood. I hope that's okay.
Jen
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