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Author: kdk
Date: 2023-08-04 16:50
I have a student who plays on an E12F, SN1171253. She's been playing sharp - it isn't a new problem, but has recently become more of an issue at school. I wanted to try longer barrels as a first attempt at a solution. I have a dozen barrels in my desk drawer. They all fit my Selmer 10Gs, but most are explicitly meant for Buffet. Several Chaddash, a couple of Moennig, 3 or 4 Fobes and a few Backun barrels of various lengths.
Her barrel, which came with the clarinet, is 65mm, so a 66mm barrel might bring it up to pitch. I only tried barrels 66mm or longer, but not one of them fitted the tenon on her E12. All too tight - some wouldn't go on at all, some just dangerously tight so I was afraid to push them all the way in.
My question: are the tenons on these E12Fs all so non-standard, or has hers somehow swollen over the three or four years she's had it? If they're all that large, who sells barrels for them?
Thanks.
Karl
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2023-08-04 17:25
Maybe she could have a tech cut down the upper joint tenon so standard Buffet barrels will fit? Then she could try as many barrels as possible to get the intonation and sound just right.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2023-08-04 19:49
Hunter_100 wrote:
> Maybe she could have a tech cut down the upper joint tenon so
> standard Buffet barrels will fit? Then she could try as many
> barrels as possible to get the intonation and sound just right.
That's certainly a possibility if barrels aren't available. I measured the entrance bore on her clarinet and it's larger than on my 10G or my very aged R13. Assuming the bore hasn't opened significantly, I'm not sure a normal-bored barrel meant for an R-13 or higher Buffet model would tune as well as one designed to lead into the E12F bore. Maybe some of the more experienced techs on the board would know.
Karl
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Author: ISM
Date: 2023-08-04 21:31
Karl,
You have probably already considered a mouthpiece replacement as a solution to the sharpness problem. I’m wondering why you believe that this would not help enough.
I have no experience with the E12F.
Imre
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Author: kdk
Date: 2023-08-04 22:28
ISM wrote:
> Karl,
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> You have probably already considered a mouthpiece replacement
> as a solution to the sharpness problem. I’m wondering why you
> believe that this would not help enough.
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> I have no experience with the E12F.
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> Imre
We've already tried it.
Karl
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Author: pewd
Date: 2023-08-04 23:38
E12Fs, like E11s, are designed to tune to a-442.
A longer barrel should resolve the issue.
A 13 series Vandoren mouthpiece would also help pull the pitch down.
The tenons on buffet clarinets have been problems for years, I have no specific knowledge of E12F's, but I'd probably start with sanding down the tenon a bit to match standard Buffet barrels. Or perhaps sand the barrels down a tad, you can always put on thicker cork.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: symphony1010
Date: 2023-08-04 23:43
Just an alert that tenons should not be sanded down! You will end up rounding off the edges. Reducing the tenon should be carried out by a good technician who will use the appropriate tool.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2023-08-05 00:15
symphony1010 wrote:
> Just an alert that tenons should not be sanded down! You will
> end up rounding off the edges. Reducing the tenon should be
> carried out by a good technician who will use the appropriate
> tool.
Totally in agreement!
Karl
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