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 Re: Are
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2023-03-11 21:45

Fuzzy wrote:

> SecondTry,
>
> Thanks for the sincere response. I'm not sure I fully
> understand some of your assumptions, but your answers did point
> out a flaw with my question.
>
> Please let me rephrase the question(s) more accurately (of
> which I again ask the bboard at large):
>
> Is it possible to separate basic clarinet pedagogy from a
> specific training of style?

First off, I have to make sure that we're on the same page. I read the above question as, "can we tailor the teacher/teaching (especially the initial teaching) to the genre of play desired?"

Yes, but it's the wrong question to ask IMHO if producing the greatest potential from a budding student is the goal. That said, I think your next question is "getting warmer" in its asking, "if we can tease the teaching to the genre should we?"

>
> If it is possible: Do we do that?
>

Generally no. And Larry explains why, re-expressing my ideas in what he thinks is in opposition, only doing so better than me, in the paragraph that begins "Baermann (and Jettel, Gillet, Hamelin, ad infinitum…) exist for us solely to gain control and command of the instrument "

There must always be a pragmatic (practical) aspect to teaching. For example, some 60 year old, having just attended a jazz concert but never played before comes to a teacher wanting to improvise. Solely sticking Klose I in their face will likely find them losing interest. Instead, trying to reason that we need to "walk before we can run" (and practice Klose) at the same time referring that student to videos like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAl5sEusVoc might be a better compromise.

> If it is not possible: Why is it not possible?

Fuzzy, I realize that you are just asking questions. I ask you in turn to appreciate that such questions--and yes they're just questions--are hard for some to not get emotionally invested in for two reasons. The first, but not valid, is we are set in our ways. The second, and on point, is that those ways of teaching are time tested, peer reviewed strategies that many eyes have seen for many years and nobody has yet, to my knowledge, devised a markedly better peer reviewed approach. So it's possible but I suspect not probable.

==========

Fuzzy, as a comedic side note, if we had a time machine and you could go to take lessons with the great Kal Opperman, it would be my advise to NEVER, EVER ask such questions of the man. Profanities would fly, and his wife Wheezie would come in from the kitchen to calm him down, as he screamed at you to do the etudes he assigned you until perfect, and not spend (he'd say waste) your time on philosophy. He'd say that "time is your most precious asset."



Post Edited (2023-03-11 22:15)

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