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Author: Jessica
Date: 2001-07-30 06:56
To quote a recent post: "I've heard artists from the biggest three schools of playing (American, English, and French), but he doesn't seem to fit into any of them with the sound he produces." I was unaware that there were distinguished "sounds" from different countries. I have heard American and English performers & honestly cannot tell the difference... anyone care to enlighten me?
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-30 17:50
Sabine Meyer & Karl Leister both of who have played Principal with the Berlin Phil might take exception to your naming of the schools. Germany sure has had a hand in things. I think I read somewhere where Lesiter had ONLY played Oehler System (or was it a modified Albert?). Oh well, point to be confirmed.
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Author: connie
Date: 2001-07-30 21:50
I've also heard of different styles of playing here in America..."Chicago style", "Atlanta style", "LA style", "NY style", etc. which I assume are based on the major symphony orchestras or such, but I can't hear the differences. Maybe if someone sat me down with examples it would help, but so far I'm lost.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2001-07-31 01:40
Even old Berlin Phil ex-wind players lamented younger German players are losing their German tonalities and became internatinalized or homoginized on a TV progamme here in Japan. This internationalization might be the reason why you cannot tell noticeable differences between present English and American players. I would suggest you to listen to older records. To me 'English' tone sounds broader and less in harmonics(i.e. less darker and purer tone) than 'American'. Dennis Brain(horn), Leon Goosens(oboe), and Reginald Kell/Jack Brymer/de Payer(clarinet) sound certainly English.
English type of clarinet has a wider diameter and straighter bore than ordinary Buffet R-13s. Typical Examples are Rossi-English bore, and a type of Peter Eaton's (I am interested in these horns but a little too expensive) and old B&Hs.
IMHO
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Author: Keil
Date: 2001-07-31 02:09
the post that connie posted really intrigues me if anyone could expound on what she was saying that would so be great! thanx
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Author: Larry Liberson
Date: 2001-07-31 02:16
"Sabine Meyer & Karl Leister both of who have played Principal with the Berlin Phil might take exception to your naming of the schools."
Actually, Sabine Meyer played second clarinet, not principal in the Berlin Philharmonic.
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Author: Nick Conner
Date: 2001-07-31 02:54
I apologize profusely for forgetting to include the "German" school in my quote (the one cited in the first post). I agree that the lines are beginning to blur quite a bit, as players include their own individuality. Please don't think I assume that EVERY player must go somewhere. I use the names only in a sense of VERY GENERAL gategorization.
Nick Conner
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-31 03:05
Thanks, Larry ... I stand corrected. Best, mw
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-31 03:18
In passing, I had assumed that since Sabine Meyer was referred to as SOLOIST, that Sabine was, indeed, the equivalent of the PRINCIPAL of the BPO.
From Dabine's home page :
"After studying with Otto Hermann in Stuttgart and Hans Deinzer in Hanover, Sabine Meyer first became a member of the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra in Munich and subsequently played with the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra as solo clarinettist. As her solo activities became more and more in demand, she left the Berlin Philharmonic one year later."
Looking to another Bio on Sabine Meyer :
"In 1982, Herbert von Karajan, the legendary conductor of the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, chose Meyer to be principal clarinetist of the group. It was a controversial decision, because of the chauvinistic mindset of many orchestra members. Still, Meyer held on to the position and did a commendable job."
(A year later, she went solo .... )
Larry, just so we can be sure we (now)I know the correct answer ..... can you give us the source for your statement; a place to hang our hat so to speak?
Best,
mw
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-31 03:34
Taken from "Women in Orchestral Music" ----
"The case of Sabine Meyer and the Berlin Philharmonic: the scandalous schism between von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic arose when the conductor arbitrarily appointed Sabine Meyer as first clarinetist ....."
I will continue reseaching the matter. However, it appears that Sabine Meyer was appointed to the position of Principal in the BPO. (not without controversy; but controversy or no .... she was, or so it appears)
Best,
mw
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Author: Anji
Date: 2001-07-31 13:49
This bidness of who sat in what chair is classic wonk stuff... what was the question? Oh yeah;
I think the schools of playing more depend on the national style of singing, at least it parallels the folk song.
I really dig Alessandro Carbonare (thanks for the link, MW) and he plays the way good Italian tenors sing.
The bright, almost chirpy sound of Dieter Klocker and (Ah!) Sabine the Dream must have some parallel in Joiman folk song.
When considering British playing, we should thank God that the parallels are in song, not national cuisine.
Has anyone heard recordings of Gervase DePeyer?
I don't know anything about the Aussies, and my teacher has raved about Andy Firth, so the strains are certainly varied.
In the modern era, it is impossible to remain insular. The clever amalgam is what makes new music so irresistable, after all it's about what YOU do with the horn.
anji
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Author: Larry Liberson
Date: 2001-07-31 14:35
Perhaps my infomation was incorrect or misunderstood, as I heard this several years ago. My source was a former colleague of mine who played with her in Munich and later in Berlin (where he still sits as second horn). My memory of the anecdote was that she had actually auditioned twice and won the audition both times...however, von Karajan forced his hand (so to speak) after the second audition and the rest is history (or herstory?). I might have been told that she was engaged as the second principal of the section, ergo my error (like the Vienna Phil, Berlin has two principals in the clarinet--and other--sections).
As you can plainly see, I don't read the bios.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-31 15:42
No problem.
Let's toast the honor of Sabine Meyer .... former Principal of the BPO! Cheers to Sabine Meyer!
(( I am still hearing from people in Canada who were blessed with her pr3esence & Master Class. I hav never heard any more of her engagement to play in Los Angeles in 2002? Anyone have any info ... ? )
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Author: connie
Date: 2001-07-31 22:20
Keil -
I wish I could elaborate more, but that's all I know. I think it has to do with who studied with whom...Marcellus' students would be "Chicago", I guess, and so forth. Anyone else able to jump in here? I know that this summer, JMU has been looking for a new clar. prof, who had to be from the studio of David Weber, or something like that. (I'm W-A-A-A-A-Y over my head here, HELP!)
Don - Hahaha, LOL.
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