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 Re: When and why did vibrato become taboo for the clarinet?
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2022-12-26 22:58

cigleris wrote:

> Karl please cite your source on this:
>
> “Vibrato only came into use for vocal and some instrumental
> musicians as a constant, integral part of tone sometime in the
> (probably early) Romantic era and I've always assumed it was
> only adopted regionally over Europe through the 1800s and
> exported to America in the late 19th and early 20th
> centuries.”

I emphasize "constant, integral part of tone..." I was definitely not claiming that vibrato was a creation of 19th century musicians, but rather that it was used as an expressive device by instrumentalists (and much earlier by vocalists). As to sources, they have been too many to name, mostly instructions and explanations given by university teachers and by orchestra conductors and choir directors in rehearsing music for performance. I admit I didn't fact-check them when they made these claims. They were either grading me for a course or paying me to play in their orchestras, so I did as I was asked. Were I formally researching vibrato, I might well come to a different understanding. For me it has always, as a practical matter, been a question of taste, not, frankly, scholarship.

>
> Vibrato or tremolo as it was referred to goes back to at least
> the 16th C in vocal music and early instrumental music.

But as an integral part of tone production or as a selectively applied expressive effect? In any case, the origins of vibrato in Western performance practice are tangential to ruben's original post, which wasn't concerned about when the use of vibrato began, but rather when it became shunned (if it has been). I should probably have stuck to ruben's friend's actual question. Vibrato has not been abandoned or labelled "taboo" by the entire clarinet world, only by certain cliques within it.



Mozart
> himself refers to vocal vibrato in letters to his father.
> Tartini, and Mozart’s father Leopold write about it in their
> violin method books. Vibrato was used to try and capture a
> ‘natural’ sound and by extension I would suggest that wind
> players generally have been using vibrato for centuries.
>

I'm sure they have. And I'm anxious to read the article you linked below, although I can't tell from the URL if it's something I've seen before.

> This is quite and interesting read:
>
> https://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1058&context=ppr
>

Karl

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