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 Re: ATL Symphony Principal Clarinet
Author: HeyHoHey 
Date:   2022-12-01 08:20

@m1964, You make some really great points about this, but I can only speak from personal experience.

@m1964 wrote:
“ In addition, assuming that a member of the audition committee will advance an inferior player who they know vs. a better player who they do not know is only an assumption. ”

In my experience, this isn’t an assumption. It has happened before. It still happens now. People who are about 40 years old and older will recall A Metropolitan Opera Orchestra audition where the principal’s lover was chosen over far, far superior applicants for a position. Those far superior applicants, after losing that audition at the MET to the pre-advanced “principal’s lover”, went on to win other principal positions in big five orchestras later on. I’m not gonna name names, because I don’t want to air dirty laundry in a blog online. Many people know the story.

The result of this particular audition was definitely nepotism because of being pre-advanced. The curtain was useless, because an inferior player was preadvanced to the finals (or perhaps semi finals, but I think it was the finals).

What I’m writing about doesn’t happen all the time, sometimes it’s totally fair. I’m not arguing that the system is completely broken or it’s totally rigged. But there are definitely ways to manipulate a blind audition in America or anywhere, and it does happen some of the time, mostly because people are pre-advanced.

Because there are so few positions, it really shouldn’t happen any of the time, though. And a way to increase the likelihood that this doesn’t happen at all is for every candidate to start in the first round with the screen up. It would legitimize the process and the winner more——even if the winner had connections. The winner would have to go through the exact same process as every other applicant.

If in the case that I write about above, If the principal’s lover had started in the first round like everyone else with the screen up, battled their way through until the end and won, then fair is fair, well done to the principal’s lover— if that had been the case, it would have had nothing to do with the connection most likely. In this scenario, the Principal’s lover would have gone through the exact same process as everyone else and won. Unfortunately, That is not what happened at the Met. That’s not what happens in Atlanta all the time either. Sorry.



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