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Author: gram
Date: 2001-07-24 13:40
Hello everybody
What is your opinion on Selmer 10 S clarinets? Has anybody out there used a cadash or moening barrel with good results (meaning tuning and sound)?
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Author: clarinetgrammy
Date: 2001-07-24 13:52
I've owned one Selmer 10S for a brief period. None of the barrels I tried worked very well on it. Most did not fit. O. Lee Gibson said (in his book Clarinet Acoustics) that Selmer uses a similar tapered barrel to the Moennig in their 10G (the Gigliotti model) and a modification of similar style on the rest of their soprano clarinets. But, the 10S was before the 10G--. However, if you could get a barrel from a 10G it might work.
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Author: drew
Date: 2001-07-24 18:49
I've owned a Selmer 10S Bb for several years, it is my favorite clarinet.
I've experimented with several barrels, but have found that the original barrel seems to work best. I've tried several non-original Selmer barrels, but always came back to the original. The synthetic Robert Scott barrels (available from Muncy) seem to have the same performance as the original barrel. BTW, I use custom (refaced) Selmer HS* mp.
I believe Chadash and Moening barrels (the Buffet variety) are made specifically for the Buffet R13. Since the Selmer 10S has slightly different bore dimensions, you may find that barrels made for Buffet will not have optimium performance with the Selmer.
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Author: Anji
Date: 2001-07-24 19:23
The Selmer 10S, 10S II and there variants have a different sound from the Buffet style (I think they have better tuning and carry well through an orchestral setting).
The bore is MUCH smaller (.567" for the Selmer, .577" for the Buffet) and the tuning may be adversely effected by using a Chadash destined for Buffet use.
I believe Jimmy Yan and Guy Chadash make specifically tapered barrels for Selmer horns, and Clark Fobes may as well.
The difference may be only 1 hundredth of an inch, but it adds up.
Still, great horns and rewarding instruments.
anji
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2001-07-24 19:45
Moennig is a person's name (as is Chadash), and is not tied to Buffet except as a common reference to tuning barrels most often chosen by Buffet users. The Leblanc Co. offers a line of Moennig barrels for their Opus and Concerto clarinets. I highly recommend them for Leblanc owners.
I tend to agree that the standard barrels seem to work best on the Selmers. The reason I didn't keep the Selmer 10S very long was that it was bought to resell--not for personal use. I think they are nice instruments and if I could afford it, I would have another one for my own use. They have a nice tone and big sound.
I've heard that the Deg Accubore Moennig barrels work well with the Selmers, but be sure you order the one that is made for Leblanc, Selmer and Yamaha clarinets.
Also, the Click barrels work well with Selmers (also hearsay--not personal experience).
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-24 20:55
My understanding is :
Buffet has a (actual) product, a barrel that is named & stamped (Buffet) MOENNIG. (Just as the (Buffet) Chadash barrel is named & stamped as an actual product).
There are many barrels available which are referred to Moennig-STYLE. I can't speak for other manufacturers as to whether they have an actual product or have a barrel available in a "Style".
http://www.jdhite.com/mouthpieces/shop1.htm
Best,
mw
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Author: clarinetgrammy
Date: 2001-07-24 22:47
Well, "Moennig Taper" is more the deal on the Leblanc Opus barrel. And yes, the Buffet barrel is stamped Moennig and Chadash--but Buffet isn't the only one who uses the Moennig taper. Hardly worth splitting hairs. Clark Fobes sells a Moennig taper barrel designed for the Buffet R-13 as well. My point was that they're not exclusively belonging to Buffet. But if you have another brand of clarinet and you want a Moennig tapered barrel (as was the original question) then, they are available.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-07-25 00:41
Just a note - Guy Chadash (of Chadash barrel fame) is alive and well, making barrels and clarinets.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-25 02:29
Brenda said:
"Moennig is a person's name (as is Chadash), & is not tied to Buffet except as a common reference to tuning barrels most often chosen by Buffet users."
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I replied distinguishing between a Buffet product name & the name of a style of clarinet barrel. No hairs split. The product is listed by NAME (not a description) in the Buffet Parts catalog.
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Mark, YES. Guy Chadash's clarinets may ultimately make him MORE famous, I think. One of the great clarinet engineers & artisans !
Best,
mw
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2001-07-25 15:05
mw--ok I finally understand your distinction.
But, for the Selmer clarinets, sometimes their original barrels work best. Aftermarket barrels like the Deg Accubore Moenning taper might work well if you're wanting a Moennig taper--but that would be a personal preference. You want to be sure you don't buy a Buffet Moenning taper barrel for the Selmer. That was my point.
I don't know if Guy Chadash makes barrels for anything other than the Buffet clarinets. Mark Charette--what do you know?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2001-07-26 02:29
Guy will custom make / fine tune any of his barrels - if you can get to sit down with him. He's yet another fine person - I went to dinner with Guy & Francois Kloc a couple of years ago and was heartily regaled by "tech stories" ;^)
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2001-07-26 03:47
If you try 10S, you will recognize more resistance than Buffets. If you prefer free blowing horns, you may not like it. Standard Vandoren mouthpiece bore is too big for this horn and Selmer C85 series are better with Selmer barrel. If you like bigger bore mouthpiece, you may need a barrel reamed with the mouthpice. I use Chadash 'A' barrel and Greg Smith's Kasper for my 10SII. 10S's tone may be characterised as quite compact. (Tone quality depends on the player.)
I think Muncy and DEG have special barrrels for 10S or 10SII.
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