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 Why the Clarinet Overblows at the 12th
Author: Ken Shaw 
Date:   2001-07-24 21:03

Suzanne asked a few days ago why the clarinet overblows at the 12th instead of the octave.

Here's a fairly long piece I wrote for the Klarinet list a few months ago on the subject.

In a wind instrument's low register, the air is vibrating as single entity. In an "open-tube" instrument such as the flute, oboe or saxophone, it's as if you tied one end of a rope to a tree and swung the other end, holding that end as still as possible. The whole rope swings as a unit, with the widest part of the loop at the center and the rope curved in, I think, a "cycloid" shape (the curve traced by a point on the outside of a rolling circle, such as a car tire). (I know the air in a wind instrument doesn't swing around, but the principle is the same.)

In a "closed-tube" instrument such as the clarinet, it's as if you took half the length of rope, stood at the midpoint of the "open-tube" distance and swung your arm in a circle, making the rope swing in the shape of half a cycloid, with your hand at the widest point of the loop. (That's why a clarinet with the same tube length as an oboe plays a much lower pitch.)

When you swing a rope as an open loop, it's quite easy to get it into "second mode," with two loops and a "node" (where the rope is nearly stationary) in the center. With a little experimenting, you can get it into the third and fourth modes, with two and three nodes, respectively. (The easy change of modes is why flutes, oboes and saxophones go easily into the second register and are hard, at least for beginners, to hold in first mode at the bottom of the low register.)

When you swing the rope in closed-loop style, it's also possible to get it into a higher mode. In this case, you have 1-1/2 full loops, with the node 2/3 of the way down the rope. Physically (with the rope) and acoustically (with the clarinet), you're in third mode, with one loop in the rope and (half of) a second loop ending with your hand. That's why the clarinet can't overblow in the second mode, but skips to the third. Just as it's more difficult to get to third mode with a closed-loop rope than it is to get to second mode with an open-loop rope, the clarinet is more stable in its low register than a flute, oboe or saxophone, and it's more difficult to play in its second register (third mode) without opening a register key.

When you open the octave/register key, it interferes with the first mode vibration and forces the air to vibrate in a higher mode. Second mode (on flute, oboe and sax) or third mode (on clarinet) is an easier way to play than a higher mode, so even though the vent is at the wrong nodal position, the instrument plays in second/third mode.

Acoustically, the octave/register vent should be exactly at a node point for every upper register note. Ideally, then, there should be a separate octave/register vent and key for each note. Mechanically, of course, this is impractical (not to mention that all the extra holes would make the bore so irregular that the instrument would be unplayable). Fortunately, wind instruments play pretty well with the octave/register vent placed rather high, where the node points are close together, even if the placement isn't perfect.

On the open tube instruments, however, the vent position for the lower second-mode notes has to be comparatively low. (Remember that the node for second mode is at the midpoint of the tube.) As you get higher in the second-mode register, that vent becomes too low and acts acoustically like the next open hole that gives the next note in the scale. Therefore, oboes and saxophones need a second octave vent, placed much higher, which is used above G#.

The acoustically perfect register vent position on the clarinet is 1/3 of the way down, rather than 1/2 as it is on closed-loop instruments. Therefore, it doesn't interfere as much with third-mode vibration as the tube gets shorter. Also, closed-loop third mode vibration is more stable than the open-loop second-mode vibration on flute, oboe or sax.

Soprano clarinets therefore don't need a double register vent and the accompanying complex mechanism. It becomes necessary with larger instruments. Alto clarinets split about 50/50 between single and double register key mechanisms. It's almost essential for bass clarinets. Today, only the lowest grade student instruments have a single key. Leblanc, in the 1950s and 60s, offered a top-of-the-line bass with a single, compromise vent just below the neck, but it really didn't work, and even Leblanc offered a double-vent mechanism "for those who prefer it" (i.e., those who want a decent upper register). Contras need a double-vent mechanism to play at all. And of course before the automatic register key mechanism was adopted, all bass clarinets (and even alto clarinets) had two register keys for the left thumb, which you had to switch back and forth on between clarion D# and E. (This is possible. Take a look at the left thumb keys on a bassoon.)

When you open the throat A key and press the register key, the reason you get a throat Bb, and not an extension of the clarion register (as high F) is that the register vent is too far down the tube to force third-mode vibration. Instead, the air column "sees" the hole as the one for the next note up the scale from throat A.

However, it's possible to extend the clarion register with practice. Everyone does it by using the two bottom trill keys for the C to C# trill, and maybe in Shepherd on the Rock. The clarinetist in the 1960s band The Dukes of Dixieland almost never went into the altissimo register. Instead, he continued the clarion fingerings up to high F, using the throat keys. I've tried to learn it, but the tone thins out too much to be really useful. It would make second half of the Saint-Saens sonata slow movement a lot easier.

There has been at least one attempt to extend the altissimo register down to Ab, just be continuing to finger down beyond the C#. It was designed by a man named Marca, and it had a second register vent mounted near the top of the barrel and operated by a key for the left thumb. The vent was high enough to keep the instrument in fifth mode. The great technician Ted Planas applied the keywork to a Selmer Bb instrument and showed it at the Clarinet Congress in London in 1984. I tried it and thought that the fifth mode was difficult to "find," though once I found it, the altissimo really did go all the way down to Ab very well. Several other people tried it, and they all had trouble getting into fifth mode reliably -- even Marca himself. Marca printed up flyers and fingering charts (I have one), but as far as I know the instrument never made it to the market, probably because you really don't need the extra fingerings.

Best regards.

Ken Shaw

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 RE: Why the Clarinet Overblows at the 12th
Author: Stephen Froehlich 
Date:   2001-07-24 21:35

There was a nice, long discussion a few months back amongst those of us with math and/or engineering degrees. In the process, I found a wonderful website on instrumental acoustics.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html

A picture is worth 1x10<superscript>3</superscript> words, espically when it comes to physics.

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 RE: Why the Clarinet Overblows at the 12th
Author: Stephen Froehlich 
Date:   2001-07-24 21:36

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/music/musinscon.html will get you a little closer to what you're looking for. Apologies

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 RE: Why the Clarinet Overblows at the 12th
Author: Mario 
Date:   2001-07-24 21:42

Hello Ken:

Almost right. Oboe and saxophones are also closed-tube. But they are conical ones (while the clarinet is a cylindrical closed-tube).

The reason opened tubes (flutes) and conical closed-tubes (oboe, saxes) behave the same way have no metaphorical explanations that I know (somebody out there as one?).

If you look at the math, you see that the energy disssipation in a closed cylindre is linear (proportional to the length of the tube), while in a cone it is a power of two (proportional to the area of the place).

But, it turns out that the resulting wave function (after much mathematical gyrations) look the same in a cylindrical open tube and in a closed conical tube.

By the way, there is no stable wave functions for conical open tubes, which is why the flute has no conical equivalent the way clarinets, saxes and oboe are related.

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 RE: Why the Clarinet Overblows at the 12th
Author: connie 
Date:   2001-07-24 21:44

Ken, forgive me, but I have 2 stupid questions:
1. why is the clarinet a closed-tube, while flute, oboe & sax are open-tube? what makes that difference?

2. what is the 2nd register vent on a sax? I'm looking at my alto and have no idea what you're talking about.

Thanks,
connie

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 RE: Why the Clarinet Overblows at the 12th
Author: connie 
Date:   2001-07-24 21:46

oops, disregard stupid question #1,. Mario was posting while I was typing (much slower with broken finger!)
connie

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 RE: Why the Clarinet Overblows at the 12th
Author: Stephen Froehlich 
Date:   2001-07-24 22:03

On a sax, its that one pad on the neck. (Octave key) It dampens out the fundamental and allows only the next mode (next octave) to sound. Same concept as on a clarinet, but the next "natural mode" of a clarinet is an octave and a half (12th) because of the mathmatical gyrations mentioned above.

This is purely technichal, but I would take issue with the word "energy dissipation". That would imply that the acoustic energy is turining into heat at a rate that depends on the size of the bore. I believe that these calculations need no allowance to be made for energy dissipation. Instead its equal distribution of the force over the width of the tube, leading to a 1/r^2 drop in pressure as the area rises to the square (Area of a circle is pi*R^2. In a cone, R = (some constant)*r if r is the distance from the "point.) As energy is pressure^2, the energy is proportional to 1/r. (In other words, its like gravity, but that's a whole other discussion.)

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 2nd register on Sax
Author: Terry Horlick 
Date:   2001-07-24 23:11

Connie,

Even though I have a BA in engineering I am not up to this discussion. But being a sax player I can explain the second register key. As you see above it is benificial to have the vent in differing positions for different notes. On the sax the horn tries to aproximate this with a second vent. The main one is in the neck and the second further down the horn. These are semi-automatic. When the lower one is needed the upper one closes and the lower opens.

To see this finger a high C, C#,B,Bb,or A and the neck vent opens. Keeping the "octave" key depressed now place your third finger down to get a G. When you do this the mechanism is supposed to close the neck vent and open the second one lower down. I suppose they could have designed the horn with two thumb keys so you could do this yourself... I'm glad Sax didn't do that. This way is much easier. I am wondering that if they had done this for 3 or four vents if that would make intonation better.

Terry

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 RE: 2nd register on Sax
Author: connie 
Date:   2001-07-25 02:08

Terry -
OK, I see. I think that was pretty ingenious of ol' Adolph.

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 RE: 2nd register on Sax
Author: Stephen Froehlich 
Date:   2001-07-25 03:22

I realized on the way home that my math was completely off. Ingore the whole energy pressure thing. Physics is a degree in advanced handwaving as much as anything else.

The second register key thing is also present on almost all pro model bass clarinets, so its in no way unique to the saxophone. There is a second, lower vent that is activated by the throat A key (for Bb) and also by the "D" key (right ring finger).

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 RE: 2nd register on Sax
Author: David Pegel 
Date:   2001-07-25 03:25

Oboes are conical?!?!?! The more I think about it, the more it makes sense, but dang, they do a good job of hiding it from a distance!!

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 RE: 2nd register on Sax
Author: Rene 
Date:   2001-07-25 05:45

To explain the waves inside a conical versus cylindrical bore is really difficult. Maybe look at it this way: The next pressure node in the clarinet is about twice its size in the air in front of the clarinet. If the cone opens exponentially (is conic) then the node comes closer to the instrument and lies about at the end of the bell. The first pressure node is close to the mouth piece (in contrast to a flute, which has a "air speed" node there).

And yes an oboe is cylindrical. Brymers book contains pictures of sliced clarinets and oboes. Also there are such in the Deutsche Museum in Munich, Germany. (always worth a visit, at least more than Neu-Schwanstein :-).

By the way, a trumpet is cylincrical for a large part, which makes things even more complicated!

Rene

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 RE: 2nd register on Sax
Author: javier garcia 
Date:   2001-07-25 13:24

Oboes have three vent holes. The first, for C#, D, D# is located under the left first finger (as in bass clarinets), the second, is actioned by the left thumb, and the third, by the left first finger (in a similar position that the G# key in clarinets). This is the standard model, called semi-automatic. There are some models with an automatic conection for the thumb and first finger keys. Bassons also have vent key (the whisper key), it is naturally open, and you have to press it to close it at the low notes. On recordes, the left thumb makes the vent hole when you close a half-hole.

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 RE: Double and Combination Reg. Key ister
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2001-07-25 15:29

TKS to Ken and the dozen responses [so far]for the text-book on acoustics and register keying systems. I copied all as additions to my Gibson book! There are a number of patents over the years, all expired except for Yamaha's and maybe several others, which often contain,as introducrion, a description of "their problem" as prelude to their solution, which are informative. I have just now reworked the reg keying on my Selmer alto, which has the "high" reg. key/pad and a lower "combination" key/pad for "low" and pinch Bb, which is quite common on the better DRK horns. Am reporting this and my alto's bore measurements under the "Basset Horn" thread. Don

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 RE: Double and Combination Reg. Key ister
Author: Ken Shaw 
Date:   2001-07-25 18:15

Connie -

I'm pretty sure the saxophone reed is closed against the lay of the mouthpiece less than half the time, which is at least part of the reason it acts as an open tube. As I understand the physics, there's a lot of reflection of energy at the of the clarinet bore, which sustains a low-pressure area at the reed end, and this in turn causes the reed to close against the mouthpiece more than 50% of the time. The reflections from the end of a conical bore are much weaker.

On the second sax register vent, take your sax and put your left hand index and middle fingers down, plus the register key. The top vent (on the neck) will open. Then put your left ring finger down. The top vent will close and, if you follow the movement of the mechanism, you'll see another vent open on the body.

Mario -

There are lots of conical flutes, with the small end at the bottom. The cylindrical flute is a fairly recent innovation, and almost all piccolos are still reverse-conical, as are baroque recorders. Some non-Western flutes are, I think, conical with the small end at the top. The modern flute is a little bit that way, with the head-joint narrowing in a parabolic shape.

Rene -

Trumpets are cylindrical through most of the bore and become conical only at the bell. Cornets are cylindrical through the lead-pipe and around to the valves and conical after that. Flugelhorns are cylindrical only for the short leadpipe, which goes directly into the valves, and the entire remainder of the instrument is conical. The differences in tone are remarkable, particularly for the fulgelhorn.

Best regards.

Ken Shaw

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 RE: Double and Combination Reg. Key ister
Author: Don Berger 
Date:   2001-07-25 19:03

As to the question of having 2 [or more] individual register keys operated by the left thumb,YES, it is shown in copies of several old patents I have, and I gave an early 1900's Conn alto cl with the 2 to the Shrine to Music, Ver. SD, [Debbie] who had never seen such either. Yes, oboes and bass/alto? cls have effectively 3 register keys, I have experimented with a 4th on my bass cl using a trill key masked down to a small hole [didn't work very well!] because the "shift-over" from clarion D or D# to E needed improvement!! As in other situations, compramises are seldom very good! Don

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 RE: Double and Combination Reg. Key ister
Author: Rene 
Date:   2001-07-26 07:20

Ken,

the length of the time the reed closes against the mp is one of the factors of good tone, I believe. Beginners usually bite too hard on the reed and compensate with a lot of air pressure, yielding a muffled tone. Then the reed will close much. A light and beautiful piano tone is achieved with a reed, which is almost not closing. I cannot prove any of this (though I wished I could), but it feels that way.

The reed itself clearly acts like a valve. It closes due streaming air on the back side (thus less aire pressure there), and it opens due to pressure from the wave front on the bore side.

Rene

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