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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2022-04-20 11:28
Hi,
I wondered if I could ask for some advice on publishing to reach clarinet people?
I have finished converting Victor Battipaglia's dissertation from scanned typewritten document to word doc now, and sent it to Victor's widow (Diane Battipaglia). She says she agrees that the dissertation is so good that it would be worth publishing as a book to make it accessible to a wider readership. However she is very busy at work, and doesn't have time to pursue it herself and doesn't know which publisher would be interested. She asked if I had any ideas, and I wondered if any of you might know?
I have also written to the library at the University of Rochester and they confirmed that they would be happy for it to be published as shown in the following quote from their email:
"Copyright in the US (and I see you are in the UK, and I don’t know about Mrs. Battipaglia) resides with the author, and in this case the author’s heirs. The intellectual property is hers to do with what she will. That is assuming, of course, that the dissertation was not later published in a commercially-available book, in which case the publisher may (or may not) have rights involved, depending on how the contract was structured. Please note that I am not an intellectual property lawyer, but I feel that I can say with some certainty that Sibley/Eastman/University of Rochester has no vested interest against your promotion of this work."
I wondered if the best thing might be to suggest to Mrs-Dr Battipaglia that she could make it available as a print-on-demand book through amazon?
Thanks!
Jennifer
Adult learner, Grade 3
Equipment: Yamaha Custom CX Bb, Fobes 10K CF mp,
Legere Bb clarinet European Cut #2.5, Vandoren Optimum German Lig.
Post Edited (2022-04-20 11:52)
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Author: SecondTry
Date: 2022-04-20 19:33
Hi Jennifer:
Not to offer up someone w/o their okay, but member TomH has had a good etude book available on Amazon, among other places, that he published in the last, I'm going to say 3-5 years.
(I happen to enjoy and recommend this work because the etudes are nearly void of pattern, forcing the player to carefully read every note and accidental. It's not as if the melodies are the book's forte, just the sight reading practice--I think Tom's intention.)
He appears to be an affable gent who might have some insight for you having done this "publishing thing" relatively recently.
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Author: Bill
Date: 2022-04-20 19:55
One of the major performance schools?
Bill Fogle
Ellsworth, Maine
(formerly Washington, DC)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2022-04-21 06:17
Hi All,
There is a growing movement among scholarly journals as well as academic publications by universities to go to open access. Before launching into self-publishing for use on something like Amazon, authors need to ask the question "Who would really want to know about this topic?"
If the answer is over several thousand it might be worth spending the time. If only 100-200, giving an academic entity permission to publish could serve the purpose of sharing the wisdom and insights that went into the completion of the original dissertation. Just having the reference list/bibliography is very valuable in and of itself.
HRL
PS In my academic career in higher education, I have chaired or served on almost 100 different theses and dissertations committees. Very few if any of the final documents were ever published but rather are archived in the degree granting institution's library.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2022-04-21 10:02
Hi Hank,
It's really interesting that you mention about open access. I was looking at the Cambridge University Press, which is the nearest publisher to me, and they have a lot about open access on their website.
I will ask them about it and ask Mrs Battipaglia what she thinks too. As a scientist I would also prefer open access whereever possible, but then we need to think about covering the costs of long term maintenance. I suppose that is why going to a publisher is helpful, rather than just creating a website myself.
SecondTry - thanks for the mention of TomH, I have written to him to ask for his thoughts.
Thanks!
Jennifer
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2022-04-21 20:58
Open access is often very expensive for the author, usually several thousand dollars. Journals want to make money, not give away information for free so they will charge someone for the article. For open access it is the author who pays up front. Cambridge Press is currently charging $3255 per article for open access.
For traditional journals the readers would pay a few dollar per article or a University or company could buy a site-wide subscription for tens of thousands of dollars per year that covers all their students/employees.
By the way, it appears that in this particular case the dissertation is already provided for open access by the university at: https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemVersionId=35974 although its not in a digital form like you are trying to create. At least is is legible, I've seen some pretty dreadful scans from old typewritten dissertations or from microfiche.
Allen
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2022-04-21 22:30
Hi Allen,
Thanks for explaining. In science the journals will sometimes waive the fees for an author who doesn't have funding. The idea is that the author's grant funding is meant to pay the journal fees and if the person is self-funding or working as a volunteer, as I am then the fees can be reduced or waived, depending on the value of the work.
Thanks!
Jennifer
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Author: kdk
Date: 2022-04-22 02:25
Hunter_100 wrote:
> By the way, it appears that in this particular case the
> dissertation is already provided for open access by the
> university at:
> https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action?institutionalItemVersionId=35974
> although its not in a digital form like you are trying to
> create. At least is is legible, I've seen some pretty dreadful
> scans from old typewritten dissertations or from microfiche.
I had forgotten that this was discussed in a previous thread. In fact without having done a search in the archives, I think I remember that you, Jen (SunnyDaze), may have been the member who brought up formatting and publishing it then.
What jogs my memory is that, having gone to the UR site and downloaded it, I realized I already have a copy of it. I remember reading some of it, though I didn't go through the entire document then (my earlier download is time-stamped 11/8/2021). I will, this time around.
Karl
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2022-04-22 05:42
While Victor Battipaglia's dissertation was a good account of the history of the clarinet double lip embouchure for its time, before great effort and expense is offered to somehow make it more accessible than it already is (free on the web for the asking), one might wish to consult with scholars who have pursued the subject further (including the reed up position) with updated and more extensive sources. One such is Dr. Ingrid Pearson of the Royal College of Music, London. How important does she judge Battipaglia's work to be, and how does it compare as a reference source to other writings on the subject, past, present, and planned?
https://www.rcm.ac.uk/research/people/details/?id=02163.
Gregorio Paone, a native born Italian clarinetist who has researched the history of the reed-up position (as well as double lip) in his own county, cites Dr. Pearson twice in his article "The Reed-Above Embouchure: Then and Now" in the current edition of the ICA Clarinet journal (pages 38-41) but does not mention Battipaglia. Is this from lack of familiarity or a tacit judgement that there are now better sources to draw on for the history of the clarinet embouchure? Without asking, we don't know.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2022-04-22 10:09
Hi Seabreeze,
It would be interesting to know about other sources, but as an adult learner I have found this book to be extremely useful, so I'm confident that it is of value.
As an adult learner, it furstrates me that there are so few really good books on clarinet technique and there is no really good website that I have found on double lip, other than this forum, so I'm confident that this book is of value. If there are other later sources, then learners can obviously go looking for those too. The presence of this book doesn't negate those sources, but might just lead people to find them.
Karl - yes that's right. It was me that brought it up. I've been working on the book for 8 months. The thing I would really like, I suppose, is to have the work online as a website, so it is google indexed and people can click through from the links in the index and search through the text for particular words. I have written to Mrs Battipaglia to ask what she thinks about open source publishing.
Thanks,
Jennifer
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-06-27 23:37
Hi,
I wondered if I could show you this webpage on my own website where I am now hosting the new pdf version of Dr Battipaglia's thesis on the double lip embouchure?
I have written permission from the institution where his PhD was submitted and from his wife, Dr Diana Mittler-Battipaglia.
The original is a scanned typewritten document and I converted it to a word doc, and put in all the accents and formatting and underlining and italics by hand, and then converted again to a pdf. It took me about four months to do the work.
The new file format means that people can now use accessibility software to read it if they are blind or partially sighted or if they need to use translation software, so I'm really hoping that that will help people.
It's on my website because I couldn't find anywhere else for it to go.
https://chlorophyllosophyimages.blogspot.com/2023/06/the-double-lip-embouchure-in-clarinet.html
I hope that is helpful.
Jennifer
Adult learner, Grade 3
Equipment: Yamaha Custom CX Bb, Fobes 10K CF mp,
Legere Bb clarinet European Cut #2.5, Vandoren Optimum German Lig.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2023-06-28 01:43
Hi Jennifer,
Nice work. It's a major achievement that you have made this dissertation available. Great job.
In this new world of easier access to divergent and scattered scholarly works, key word searches can turn up many great and previously hard to find resources.
Best,
Hank
PS I have several of my scholarly publications available on open access, it is surprising that I get hits from all over the world!
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-06-28 05:45
Hi Hank,
Thank you very much for saying that. It was quite a job to do the editing, especially the zillions of accents. Then also asking around all the people that were involved. I'm really happy to have managed it.
I hope it helps people, having access to it.
Jennifer
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Author: Cdh
Date: 2023-06-28 15:20
Bravo!
It is difficult to get scholarly works above about 5000 words published, so you have done a great service.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-06-28 18:01
Thank you very much for the kind words. I hope it will be helpful to people.
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Author: kilo
Date: 2023-06-28 19:50
Yes, this is really interesting. I'm perfectly happy with single lip playing, although I've experimented with double and can see why some might find it appealing. The historical information is wonderful, though. I was taught when the "smile" was in vogue, and "pulling up" as well, which is one reason I wasn't exposed to double lip, even though I used the Langenus books quite extensively and Langenus was a proponent of DL.
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Author: SunnyDaze
Date: 2023-06-28 22:18
I'm glad you like it. I enjoy the historical information too. It's like looking through a little keyhole into the past.
I really love the kind voice of the author. I found it very soothing to work through the text over and over again while the covid chaos was playing out.
I especially like the story on page 77 about Ralph McLane shutting his friend in the closet as a proxy for a concert orchestra, and then shutting himself in the cupboard to play to his friend outside. And all done with complete seriousness.
I think it's lovely to hear about the reality of serious practise like that.
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