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Author: Patty S.
Date: 2001-07-22 02:02
What do people prefer to play on? Regular Vandorean or the V-12's and why?
I thought this would be something interesting!
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Author: Sara
Date: 2001-07-22 03:52
I used to like the regulars, then I liked the V12's now I like the Blackmasters. I guess my taste just changes. Then again, I changed ligatures everytime a changed reeds, b not to mention mouthpieces as well. Now my setup is perfect for now, soon I'll probably decide to experiment again. But as for reeds, I guess all depends on you, as the one who has to here yourself play the most!
Sara
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-07-22 13:16
You might do a search as this has been discussed before. However, I personally like the regular Vandorens as the V-12's are sluggish in response for me.
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Author: Gretchen
Date: 2001-07-22 16:27
I'm jus the opposite. I really like the V12's. The cane is harder, and I find they last longer too. I keep finding that the regulars have a stuffier sound, and they don't respond well at all for me. Maybe it's just my set up though. I have a lot of clarinet friends that like the regulars. I'm a V12 girl I guess.
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Author: Suzanne
Date: 2001-07-22 22:52
I don't know if it's true, but I have heard that different types are good for different mouthpieces. Personally, I like the sound and response of the Vandoren regulars for my B45-13(and they're cheaper too...), but when I played more closed mouthpieces, I liked V12s.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-23 00:45
Here is my understanding of Vandoren when it comes to a comparison of V-12 and Traditional reed models:
Headsup ... say a 3 1/2 in both ... the Traditional 3 1/2 will be harder. This is true all the way thru the line. Start @ 2 1/2 and work your way up. To me the disparity gets greater as we move higher. IMS has a good a chart (as do some other vendors).
The V-12 is a _thicker_ reed. However, as we've discussed before, just because a reed is thicker doesn't make it harder. It (all) depends on WHERE the cane is taken from. The V-12 was made after the fashion of the Morre'.
Best,
mw
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Author: Robin
Date: 2001-07-23 04:44
According to Vandoren, and I tend to agree, the V12 is meant for a longer facing mouthpiece. I have just started using them on my new close/long facing mouthpiece and am very happy with the results.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-23 05:22
Sorry, I don't follow. I would like to learn & perhaps I have a misunderstanding. BUT, here is what I understand ......
A _longer_ facing (with a "constant" tip opening) allows for a _stronger_ reed. Here is what Vandoren says at the D'Addario Website (pronounced da-dairy-o) :
"With the same tip opening: long facing = stronger reed, short facing = softer reed."
"With the same facing: open mouthpiece = softer reed, closed mouthpiece = stronger reed"
Adain, the V-12 isn't a stronger reed. It's just a _thicker_ reed. In fact Vandoren say that a 3 1/2 Traditional is qualdl to a 4 V-12. [ that taken, again, from the D'Addario wedsite ]
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-23 05:32
AND for their recommended reeds you can go here :
http://www.vandoren.com/Product/products.htm
Once at the URL/Link above, you will see that Vandoren recommends their Traditional & their V-12 models for _EVERY_ clarinetg they sell, albeit in a different strength in each case (as stated above).
Best,
mw
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Author: Robin
Date: 2001-07-23 14:24
I feel a bit picky posting back, but I never said that the V12 was a stronger reed. I assume that the player has the appropriate strength reed for their mouthpiece, V12 or traditional. I was just going on what it says on the V12 box:"recommended for long facing mouthpieces".
Incidentally, as far as I know, the relative softness of the V12 a result of the fact that more of the cane used is from the middle of the tube as opposed to the harder wood nearer the bark. I agree - V12 is thicker - but it plays softer.
regards,
Robin.
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-23 15:42
Robin, I think what you read about the "recommended for long-facing" is 100% advertising HYPE. If we visit the Vandoren webpage @ D'Addario @ the Links above wel see that Vandoren recommends the V-12 & Traditional reeds for long-faced mouthpieces.
They also go on to state that there will be occasions where the Traditional will be preferred over the V-12, & vice-versa. They talk about bright vs. dark. [ where is Dan Leeson when you need him! <grin> ]
Vandoren goes on to say that we should carry _both_ models of reed (V-12 & Tarditional) in our clarinet cases .... [ and, if we give them a moment they will tell us to have full boxes in rotation, too! ]
I play the Vandoren V-12's most of the year. There is a time in Winter/Spring when I have changed in the past to Traditionals. I call it the PITHY TIME.
Best,
mw
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Author: Robin
Date: 2001-07-24 02:44
I'd agree with you wholeheartedly if I hadn't actually found otherwise in my own playing (I'm a big fan of bashing media hype!). I take your point. But I recently found that I actually do get better results on my long facing mouthpiece with V12s. I used to play a B45(.) and found traditionals to be fine. I recently bought an M14 and found that V12s gave more substance to the sound (than the equivalent strength trads). I think maybe, it has more to do with the fact that a longer facing mouthpiece benefits (my opinion) from a 'steeper' profile. Somehow, I feel that it gives greater strength at the fulcrum of the mouthpiece.
On the other hand, I could be too imaginative for my own good! You're probably right.
All the best,
Robin
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Author: mw
Date: 2001-07-24 06:27
Robin, I agree. However, we have to remember that famous expression used around here, YMMV: Your Mileage May Vary. That is, I don't doubt for a second that you found the V-12 better on a long lay mouthpiece, as opposed to a Traditional. My only point is that this is _personal_ to you. Someone else could have found the opposite to be true. Its all a matter of personal taste. Best, mw
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