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Author: AndyW
Date: 2021-07-07 20:17
<Apparently no one has an answer.>
I can't see you asking anything about Leblancs on the forum.... what was your question ??
-A-
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Author: johnwesley
Date: 2021-07-07 21:47
AndyW, I initially asked if anyone knew whether this model Leblanc had the same bore size as it's years later counterpart the Pete Fountain and Big Easy. Question sat un answered for almost 2 weeks with no answer, so.....
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Author: Fuzzy
Date: 2021-07-07 23:38
Hi johnwesley,
Sometimes questions need to hang around a while so that someone with the specific knowledge to offer an answer has time to see it.
You might consider making the question available again. Even if it is years down the road, someone might answer, and others might benefit from the answer.
The bboard is a mysterious place. ;^)>>>
Fuzzy
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Author: super20dan
Date: 2021-07-08 01:38
from what i have read from an old leblanc catologe -they have the same size bore. i found this info in the keepers section
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Author: johnwesley
Date: 2021-07-10 08:16
Attachment: dynamique.jpg (308k)
super20dan.....you are right. I had to do an extensive search to get the answer.
Lineage goes as follows
Dynamique
Dynamique II
Dynamic
Dynamic II
Dynamic H (some with Pete Fountain signature on bell)
Pete Fountain model
Big Easy
So Dynamique was original. Reason I was asking is I found one for sale and wanted to confirm it's being a big bore (15.00mm) I bought it and am waiting for it's arrival.
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Author: AndyW
Date: 2021-07-12 03:39
good luck with it, John, I bought two Dynamic Hs to chase Pete Fountain’s sound around the practice room: lovely instruments, but I struggled for a few years to accommodate the multiple octave-tuning on both of them. I’m on a Selmer CT now. -A-
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Author: NOLA Ken
Date: 2021-07-12 17:52
John,
I find that will my smallish hands I have difficulty with the slightly larger size and spread of the tone holes on the Selmer CT and Series 9 (the model following the CT). But I have no trouble at all with my Pete Fountain model (the successor to the Dynamic H) or any of my other Leblancs.
- Ken
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Author: AndyW
Date: 2021-07-13 02:01
as for me, I'm enjoying the Selmer CT, don't quite have to consciously think about pitch correction when making big intervals. I've read the CT has a similar bore, but can't confirm. I've no hand-size issues, it seems. I like the sound & feel of the Leblancs, though , I will definitely keep one of my Dynamic H's and another older 1940s Leblanc (smaller bore) that I have. I'm coming at this from a jazz-sax doubling perspective, so your mileage may vary, but I hear a much bigger difference, tonally, between saxophone brands than clarinet brands, maybe my ears need more training to really hear differences in tone. Always interested in other opinions on the Leblancs and Selmers, particularly as jazz/world instruments. -A-
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Author: johnwesley
Date: 2021-07-14 00:23
I will do just that. Expecting delivery Saturday the 16th. Just a few more days.
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Author: Steve0001
Date: 2022-06-28 00:17
I have three Leblancs - a Dynamic, a Dynamic H, and a Symphonie Dynamique II. I have only recently acquired them and I need to do some minor repairs to make them fully playable, so I can't comment too much about how they play yet except to say I am quite pleased so far. My initial impression is they play easy and their intonation is excellent throughout their range. My question is this: How does the Symphonie Dynamique II fit into the Leblanc family tree outlined by johnwesley above?
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2022-07-06 01:47
Steve0001 wrote:
> How does the Symphonie Dynamique II fit into
> the Leblanc family tree outlined by johnwesley above?
The Symphonie Dynamique seems to be an early name or a predecessor of the Dynamique.
See John McAulay's old post here:
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=142360&t=142360
Maybe the SD and SDII existed in parallel before changing names?
I saw a SDII on one of the online market places a while ago and assume that was the one you bought. Never seen another.
Could you reveal the serial number to help dating it? The Symphonie Dynamiques I have seen have had 3 digit serials without a letter.
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Author: johnwesley
Date: 2022-07-08 08:31
Johan H Nilsson.......Your post has me wondering. I have an older Dynamique. Doesn't say Symphonie, but the serial number is 3 digit with NO letters. Guess I'll have to do more research.
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Author: StanD
Date: 2022-07-09 19:56
John,
For information regarding bore sizes, try the following:
<gottalovetheknowledge@gmail.com>
The site “Clarinet Perfection” should come up.
At the top, click on “Technical Information”
In the drop-down box click on “Bore Sizes”
BTW, there’s lots of other interesting stuff on this site.
Happy hunting,
Stan
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2023-06-08 17:43
FYI, I think the Dynamique/Dynamic line did enlarge the bore a bit at some point. I recall that from something I read in the past. If I come across it again I'll post it.
I'd have to check the YouTube video too related to the website.
==========
Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information
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Author: ghoulcaster
Date: 2023-06-11 06:20
I believe they did enlarge the bore on the Dynamique, as it was the Classic that originally had the large bore in the 50s. I believe the Symphonie was smallest, Dynamique was in between, and Classic was big like the old Selmers. I don’t know when this changed, probably sometime early 60s.
I’ve also heard Pete Fountain was playing an LL originally, from when it came out until sometime in the mid 60s when he switched to one of the Dynamic models.
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Author: NOLA Ken
Date: 2023-06-11 19:10
This is the first time I have read anything anywhere about the Classic line having ever been produced as a "large bore" clarinet. I'm interested in a source for that. I have a Classic II (serial number indicates a 1967 production) that has a bore the same as the large bore Dynamic H and my Pete Fountain model (15.0mm). I've been told by a really expert tech that it was supposed to have a 14.80mm bore. In light of things said elsewhere on this bulletin board I have come to assume that it was one of the clarinets re-bored by Leblanc USA. It gave my college (late-1960s) clarinet teacher (a Leblanc artist and former student of Bonade) fits; he finally gave up trying to find a barrel and mouthpiece for it that would play to his expectations. Tuning was always a bit wonky with it until I returned to playing fifty years later and finally found a couple of setups that work nicely.
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Author: super20dan
Date: 2023-06-11 23:52
i bought a classic 20 yrs ago and flipped it.if i had known it was a large bore model like the dynamic -i would probably have kept it. it was a nice player but i liked my LL better so i just sold it quickly.
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Author: NOLA Ken
Date: 2023-06-12 06:20
I guess "large bore" is all in the definition. I see that the factory spec bore for the LL is the same 14.80 as for the Classic and Classic II. I've always thought of that as medium bore, with 15.0 (like the old Selmers) generally defining "large bore".
I've never played a LL, but have always wanted to. Actually, with the same mpc and barrel this over-large bore Classic II plays amazingly similar to my Pete Fountain. Once I started using older admittedly-less mainstream mpcs that were more appropriate to the large bore rather than for smaller bore clarinets things just started falling into place. Also required a different barrel; I found a Backun Standard+ bore Fat Boy (not available in 1969 when I was studying) works wonderfully. None of the Leblanc or Noblet barrels in my collection have ever worked well. With the same setup it has a slightly darker tone and is perhaps a tad less bombastic than the PF. But each has caused one of the conductors I play under to tell me to back off some, which has never happened with any of my other clarinets. (But at least I can hear myself over the trumpets.)
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Author: super20dan
Date: 2023-06-13 03:35
i use a deg power barrel 64 mm on my leblancs and i t works great. the LL is a fantastic clarinet and the equal of any selmer ever made. i hope to get to play a pete foutain someday myother leblanc is a synphonie 1
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