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 Re: Stravinsky and the clarinet
Author: brycon 
Date:   2021-04-09 02:57

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Gjerdingen's book Child Composers in the Old Conservatories made a lot of readers aware that valuable skills of music analysis, invention, and performance were not transmitted into the 20th and 21st centuries and the numerical functional chord analysis commonly taught is not the only way to conceive of and hear harmony. The Partimento approaches to music have been laid out in textbooks by Job Ijzerran (Harmony, Counterpoint, Portimento) and Giorgio Sanguinetti (The Art of Portimento).


Yes! Very good recommendations for general readers and people who want to enhance their musicianship skills.

Job Ijzerman's book is meant to replace the common "harmony" textbooks (Aldwell and Schachter's very fine book or Kostka and Payne's waste of paper). It advances from simple two-part examples and exercises to four-part chromaticism. Giorgio Sanguinetti's book is a bit more specialized and presumes a good foundation in figured bass and keyboard skills.

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Composers since Mahler, Berg, Stravinsky, etc. have generally expected performers to adhere to "what is on the page" and not stray into personal reveries
of improvisation. Stravinsky seems to have wanted Cahuzac to avoid all non-notated rubato and ornamentation, and certainly not substitute his own rhythms for the written ones or indulge in added improvised passages.


Certainly true. But there is a great deal of gray between following exactly what's on the score and improvising, an unwritten rhythmic stretch of a note, for instance, in the first Stravinsky piece. Music notation cannot possibly capture every facet of a performance. Moreover, a good musician should know what to do with few markings (in a "thinly" notated Bach or Mozart score, for example) and a bad one still wouldn't know what to do with many (such as in Carter's music).

In the first Stravinsky piece, I think some rhythmic stretching, especially on wide intervals, while maintaining a more or less consistent pulse helps draw out the singing aspect of the piece as well as the single-line counterpoint. And if Stravinsky told me "No! Play exactly what's there: no stretching," I'd (politely!) ignore his dictum and play it how I want to play it.



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