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Author: rgoldem
Date: 2020-10-12 22:45
Barrel makers announce their product as being suitable for most brands except Selmer Paris clarinets. I believe this has to do with the bore specifications of these instruments but this reasoning should be valid for all brands and there would be no generic barrels as it is true in many cases.
Can someone illuminate me? What is so special about Selmer clarinets and what would be a good barrel choice for a Selmer Privilege clarinet?
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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-10-12 23:51
The best barrel for a Selmer Privilege is....a Selmer Privilege barrel. All French players that I know that play Selmer -whatever the model-use the barrel that comes with the clarinet. And this is not for want of trying out other barrels. That said, different Privilege barrels might vary in quality...and will vary in quality.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-10-13 01:01
Ruben's generalization seems valid; most Selmer players use the barrel that came with the instrument, especially if we're talking about regular barrels. For the P & S adjustable type swivel barrels (which now include Behn, EMS, Corbin, and others), I'm not so sure. About 4 years ago, Selmer briefly advertised two new model regular (not swivel) clarinet barrels especially for the Privilege, designed to give players a greater range of choice. One barrel was called the "Centered Tone" barrel, and the other was the "Evolution" barrel. Since then, I haven't seen much more from Selmer on these: https://www.facebook.com/SelmerParisClarinets/posts/1309224115765520. The Centered Tone was supposed to tighten the sound, and the Evolution was to open it up. Maybe most players decided to neither tighter nor loosen the sound and just leave it where it was with the original barrel???
Fobes makes a barrel especially for the Selmer Signature but doesn't mention the Privilege.
Post Edited (2020-10-13 01:32)
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Author: rgoldem
Date: 2020-10-13 01:49
The problem with the stock barrels on the Privilege (and Centered and Evolution Selmer alternatives) is that they are too long for playing at 442Hz.
I believe I need something shorter and I was wondering what sort of problem I may encounter with a generic one. What about a vintage Selmer barrel? I can find them in a variety of sizes but will it work on a modern Selmer?
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2020-10-13 04:17
These answers all seem to miss the elephant in the room. The upper tenon on most modern Selmers is longer than on other makes, at least based on the few Selmers I've worked on. If you try to fit a barrel from another make on a Selmer it usually will not go on all the way. The answer is simply that the barrel sockets on Selmer clarinets are sized differently.
Vintage Selmer barrels will not work as they are the same size as modern Buffet instruments.
I'm surprised that you are playing that flat. Are you using a Vandoren 13 Series?
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: rgoldem
Date: 2020-10-13 04:23
Well ... I am using Legere euro cut reeds and they play flat. When I try the same setup with cane reeds things get better.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-10-13 05:56
Knowing the socket issue, Dr. Alan Segal will make a barrel to your specifications. If you have a caliper I believe he wants you to use the "inches" measurements because they are more accurate.
http://www.clarinetconcepts.com
As a 62mm barrel player (also Legere European Signatures) I feel your pain.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2020-10-13 08:09
>> The problem with the stock barrels on the Privilege (and Centered and Evolution Selmer alternatives) is that they are too long for playing at 442Hz. <<
A local player got an extra Privilege barrel and had me shorten it, either to 64mm or 63.5mm, maybe even 63mm (I don't remember exactly).
>> If you have a caliper I believe he wants you to use the "inches" measurements because they are more accurate. <<
Haha! Well it can be true but still funny...
Re the tenon issue in general, considering the materials, the barrel would never touch both inside and outside. Some might say it's better that it touches on the inside (for acoustic reasons, if you consider that a gap is "bad"), but they are pretty much always made to touch on the outside, for cosmetic reasons.
If a non-selmer barrels fit except the tenon length, it could be made deeper. Then it's a question of how much that compromises the barrel (if it's not a straight bore). Probably better to just get a Selmer barrel and shorten it if necessary.
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Author: Luuk ★2017
Date: 2020-10-13 11:53
First of all, 'standard' barrel length varies per acoustic design. My Leblanc Opus came with 66 and 63 mm barrels, my Selmer Signature with 64,5 and 62,5. In fact, the whole Signature is about two cm. shorter than the Opus.
Furthermore, the acoustic design of the barrel itself may vary (reverse cone, cylindrical, double cone...) and should match the design of the clarinet. Mismatches may result in, for instance, 12ths differing over the instrument.
One can expect from a respected clarinet designer/maker that instruments are sold with matching barrels.
Btw: can somebody explain how inches can be 'more accurate' than millimeters?
Regards,
Luuk
Philips Symphonic Band
The Netherlands
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2020-10-13 15:30
>> my Selmer Signature with 64,5 and 62,5. <<
The local player I mentioned had me shorten a barrel because the shortest barrel Selmer had was longer than he wanted. There was certainly nothing close to 62.5mm. Maybe that has changed (either started ofering them, or stopped, depending on when any of this happened).
>> Btw: can somebody explain how inches can be 'more accurate' than millimeters? <<
Inches are not more accurate than millimeters. A regular (mechanic, non-dial) inch caliper is sometimes more accurate than a regular metric caliper, but only if it has a 0.001" vernier scale.
Most metric calipers measure to 0.1mm, but you can sort of see if the line on the vernier is closer to a line or in between two lines, so it's the closest 0.10mm, but you can rough estimate to the closest 0.05mm (maybe better, but it's irrelevant anyway).
Inch calipers with a 0.001" vernier scale can measure to the closest 0.001" (equivalent to 0.0254mm), with an actual line matching, but it can be pretty tricky to be sure which of two adjacent lines is closer to matching. Opposite of the metric caliper, it's a little less accurate than the actual lines.
Even though the actual lines of the inch caliper measure about four times more accurate than the metric caliper, in reality it's less. How much depends on the calipers and the experience of whoever is using them. The difference is close to insignificant for clarinet tenon lengths.
BTW some inch calipers only measure to the closest 1/128" and then they are less accurate than a regular metric caliper. I assume the post was referring to a 0.001" inch caliper.
It's different with digital or dial calipers.
Post Edited (2020-11-07 08:00)
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Author: jack
Date: 2020-10-14 08:14
First off, will verify that non Selmer barrels stink on Selmer clarinets. This is the case from the Selmer Balanced Tone, to my Selmer Privilege, Series 1.
Hadn't heard of these barrels designed for the Privilege, so of course ordered one each from howarth.uk.com today. Don't know what to expect but gotta havem.
Will post on these in two - four weeks.
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Author: Luuk ★2017
Date: 2020-10-14 12:34
@ Clarnibass: thank you for the explanation of the difference between inch and mm vernier scales.
Regards,
Luuk
Philips Symphonic Band
The Netherlands
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2020-11-06 18:27
seabreeze:
While I can't answer what kind of aftermarket barrel lengths/bores/etc. that work best on a Selmer Privilege, but in an email exchange with Clark Fobes himself he confirmed jdbassplayer's observation that the upper tenon of Selmer clarinets are .5mm longer than that on most other makes of clarinets. And he did mention to me that his standard(non-Selmer Signature fit) barrels work on the Selmer Presence, and he used the same lengths on both Bb & A.
Josh
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Author: jack
Date: 2020-11-13 09:13
Received and tried the Evolution and Centered Tone mouthpieces designed for the Selmer Privilege. The Evolution seemed to deaden the sound and the Centered Tone seemed also to deaden the sound, but not as much as the Evolution. On the plus side, the original barrels are great and the Privilege Clarinet (Series 1 - which I much prefer vs Series 2) is wonderful and my right hand is more comfortable with it then any of the other major brands.
PS: Let me know if want to purchase Evolution or CT barrels.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2020-11-15 05:11
. I am not happy with the wood that I have been getting, my workplace was temporarily flooded, and my wife developed an allergy to the particles from milling mpingo and cocobolo.
Thus..... I have suspended barrel making
Thanks for the recommendation. Sorry I can not oblige.
I may be selling off some of my equipment.
Allan
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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