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Author: John Peacock
Date: 2020-10-04 01:29
Attachment: ghiro_tosca.jpg (231k)
I was just watching the recent "live" concert by the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra. The Principal clarinet, Yann Ghiro is playing a Tosca, but with a more complicated low-F vent system. Either Buffet has changed their design or, like me, Ghiro didn't think much of the existing system and had a custom solution installed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMqT05q5Be0
[it's a great performance of Mendelssohn 5, by the way]
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2020-10-04 03:02
The “stock” option is a low F vent, but Buffet offers an additional low E vent as an option. This is likely what this is.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-10-04 04:34
So is it the same pinky key that triggers both low F vent and low E vent?
.................Paul Aviles
Post Edited (2020-10-04 04:34)
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2020-10-04 04:51
Yes I believe so, it’s designed with 2 vents that automatically open and close with the F and E keys when you press the 1 key. This of course means you have to play low E with both pinkies.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: John Peacock
Date: 2020-10-05 01:09
jdbassplayer wrote:
> Buffet offers an additional low E vent as an option
There's no hint of this that I can find in the buffet web site. Is there some reference you can point to for more detail? Thanks.
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2020-10-05 01:22
Buffet’s own website no longer mentions it after the redesign, but some of their distributors mention it still.
< http://clarinet.dk/content/show_cla_detail.php?id=69&cont=eu&lang=en&instr=cla&type=6&brand=Buffet%20Crampon&instrtype=>
< https://www.lecoindesbois.com/en/clarinet-for-sale/buffet-crampon-tosca-bb-clarinet/>
Although I assume actually ordering it from Buffet would be a nightmare without connections.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-10-05 07:34
"Ordering" ANYTHING from Buffet is a nightmare. I'd just say forget you ever saw this mechanism.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: John Peacock
Date: 2020-10-05 15:51
Hurstfarm: thanks. The L+P mechanism is different to the one Ghiro is playing.
I don't actually want to order one (not least, I don't have a Tosca), but just curious about who created the mechanism, and how it works.
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Author: Hurstfarm
Date: 2020-10-05 18:08
Sorry John - I didn’t mean to suggest that you had money to burn, I was talking generically about the temptations to spend even more money on customising an already expensive instrument! L&P offer a few, including the modified correction mechanism.
You’re right the mechanism isn’t the same as the 2 options illustrated on the L&P website, so doesn’t answer the original question - although there’s a third, fully automatic, solution where there’s no picture, so not clear what that looks like.
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Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2020-10-05 20:16
I wonder if ergonomically situated buttons could electronically open & close holes on the instrument, without mechanical connections.
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2020-10-05 20:23
Philip Caron wrote:
> I wonder if ergonomically situated buttons could electronically
> open & close holes on the instrument, without mechanical
> connections.
Probably, but do you really want to have to worry about running out of battery halfway through a concert...
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: dorjepismo ★2017
Date: 2020-10-05 23:14
J. Seggelke did a contrabass clarinet where everything is controlled electronically, so presumably it would work with things like the correction vents too, but a hybrid system might be a little difficult to get used to.
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Author: yannghiro
Date: 2020-12-09 02:36
hi John.
the extra hole is for the bottom E correction. it s great to have a better bottom F but having both is better i think Buffet adds that mechanism on demand... it makes a big difference.
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Author: John Peacock
Date: 2020-12-11 13:50
Dear Yann,
Thanks for coming into this discussion. I guess you didn't buy the instrument new, then, if you "think" than Buffet adds it on demand? Anyway, I'd be interested to know how you play it in practice - is it the same as the standard model, where you use an extra key with the RH little finger to actuate the vent? i.e. there's no thumb key or anything extra needed to make the low-E mechanism work?
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Author: yannghiro
Date: 2023-11-20 01:53
hi John,
sorry for very late reply!!!
I bought the clarinet new from the factory a long time ago, literally as soon as they made the green line Tosca!
and years later, they (Buffet) came up with that extra vent for the bottom E which was a good idea to go with the better F...
The system is extremely simple, one just needs to press the "new" F key and then press the E as normal and voilà! no thumb key...
Years ago, through my teacher in Paris conservatoire Michel Arrignon, I had a Elite prototype Bb which had a longer bottom joint and a resonance hole which naturally made E and F very much more in tune. I loved that system and wish that I never parted with it....
I believe they used that system with the new XXIII, some 25 years later...
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